buddha Posted October 14 Posted October 14 16 hours ago, lordstanley said: is he just a bad negotiator? is he overvaluing tigers' prospects? underselling others? he's young enough to think seasons like this and players like skubal happen all the time, i guess. being proud of trading **** and getting **** in return all the while blowing the biggest division lead in history is something that they should be embarassed about, not proud of. not throwing it back in people's faces. 1 Quote
casimir Posted October 14 Posted October 14 Suarez just turned 34 years old? Wow, it seems like he should be older. Trading for him would have been one thing. But I'm not sure I'd chase in him free agency. He's another strikeout prone hitter with poor defensive acumen. He'll probably command a large salary, but I'd like the Tigers to go elsewhere with the funds. Additionally, they're a bit dug into Keith as a longer term player given the contract. Its not a bad contract per se, but they did offer the extension. That extension by itself should mean something as far as longer term plans. I think for all involved, its probably best to let him focus on coming into camp as a 3B. He was placed out of position in his rookie season. He kind of got moved around a bit this past season. There seem to be more internal options for 2B than there are for 3B (not that there aren't other means of filling that position). 1 Quote
Shades of Deivi Cruz Posted October 14 Posted October 14 48 minutes ago, casimir said: Suarez just turned 34 years old? Wow, it seems like he should be older. Trading for him would have been one thing. But I'm not sure I'd chase in him free agency. He's another strikeout prone hitter with poor defensive acumen. What? You don't want to add another rung to this amazing ladder? Quote
1984Echoes Posted October 14 Posted October 14 1 hour ago, casimir said: ... I think for all involved, its probably best to let him (Keith) focus on coming into camp as a 3B. He was placed out of position in his rookie season. He kind of got moved around a bit this past season. There seem to be more internal options for 2B than there are for 3B (not that there aren't other means of filling that position). Plus, his shoulder has apparently healed enough that he can, health-wise, make the throws from 3B. I concur... 3B should be his position... unless or until proven otherwise. Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted October 14 Posted October 14 What do people think about the idea of finding a DH replacement for Colt Keith? I know Keith is still only 24 years old and could get better. But he wasn't great this pas season and was dreadful in the playoffs. His OPS was only .746 during the regular season with 13 HRs and 45 RBIs. He has a nearly 21% strikeout rate and had 102 strikeouts overall. Seems we could be getting a lot more production in terms of power and getting on base from the DH spot. What about replacing him with Ryan O'Hearn. O'Hearn had an .803 OPS with 17 HRs and 63 RBIs. He is still only 32 and had a higher BA, OPS, displayed slightly more power, and had similar strikeout percentages to Keith. I know this organization and Scott Harris might not be ready to give up on Keith yet as their DH. Are you ready to give up on him at the DH spot? If so, would O'Hearn be a guy you'd be chasing after? Quote
4hzglory Posted October 14 Posted October 14 3 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: What do people think about the idea of finding a DH replacement for Colt Keith? I know Keith is still only 24 years old and could get better. But he wasn't great this pas season and was dreadful in the playoffs. His OPS was only .746 during the regular season with 13 HRs and 45 RBIs. He has a nearly 21% strikeout rate and had 102 strikeouts overall. Seems we could be getting a lot more production in terms of power and getting on base from the DH spot. What about replacing him with Ryan O'Hearn. O'Hearn had an .803 OPS with 17 HRs and 63 RBIs. He is still only 32 and had a higher BA, OPS, displayed slightly more power, and had similar strikeout percentages to Keith. I know this organization and Scott Harris might not be ready to give up on Keith yet as their DH. Are you ready to give up on him at the DH spot? If so, would O'Hearn be a guy you'd be chasing after? As 84 and Cassie said above, IMO Keith should be the primary 3B the way the roster is currently constructed. Quote
1984Echoes Posted October 14 Posted October 14 1 hour ago, casimir said: ... There seem to be more internal options for 2B than there are for 3B (not that there aren't other means of filling that position). On 2B and/or SS and/or backup 3B... List of candidates: Hao Yu Lee (mostly 2B and 3B) Trei Cruz (2B, SS, 3B) Javier Baez (2B, SS, 3B, OF including CF) Matt Vierling (CF and backup or RH'ed 3B) Zach McKinstry (2B, SS, 3B) Andy Ibanez (2B and 3B) Kevin McGonigle (SS, 2B, and... 3B?) Trey Sweeney (SS) Jace Jung (2B and 3B) And it would also be sweet if Wenceel Perez could get over his "yips" at 2B and again be a candidate for playing time there. Somehow... we need to be able to piece together a middle infield and 3B out of all these guys (including Keith). IMO. Quote
1984Echoes Posted October 14 Posted October 14 7 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: What do people think about the idea of finding a DH replacement for Colt Keith? I know Keith is ... DH?!?!?! How about Greene, Carpenter, Malloy and Jones each spend some time there, along with Keith and/or Jung... I don't think we need to worry about "DH", at all. Quote
casimir Posted October 14 Posted October 14 43 minutes ago, Shades of Deivi Cruz said: What? You don't want to add another rung to this amazing ladder? Politely deKline. Quote
casimir Posted October 14 Posted October 14 11 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: What do people think about the idea of finding a DH replacement for Colt Keith? I know Keith is still only 24 years old and could get better. But he wasn't great this pas season and was dreadful in the playoffs. His OPS was only .746 during the regular season with 13 HRs and 45 RBIs. He has a nearly 21% strikeout rate and had 102 strikeouts overall. Seems we could be getting a lot more production in terms of power and getting on base from the DH spot. What about replacing him with Ryan O'Hearn. O'Hearn had an .803 OPS with 17 HRs and 63 RBIs. He is still only 32 and had a higher BA, OPS, displayed slightly more power, and had similar strikeout percentages to Keith. I know this organization and Scott Harris might not be ready to give up on Keith yet as their DH. Are you ready to give up on him at the DH spot? If so, would O'Hearn be a guy you'd be chasing after? There’s no need for a DH. They already have Carpenter and Greene as offense first middling defensive corner OFs. And if I’m building a roster, I’m using DH as a partial day off for everyday position players. I think that can help alleviate some of the wear and tear of a roster, especially given the age of shorter outing pitchers clogging up half of the team. 2 1 Quote
casimir Posted October 14 Posted October 14 9 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: On 2B and/or SS and/or backup 3B... List of candidates: Hao Yu Lee (mostly 2B and 3B) Trei Cruz (2B, SS, 3B) Javier Baez (2B, SS, 3B, OF including CF) Matt Vierling (CF and backup or RH'ed 3B) Zach McKinstry (2B, SS, 3B) Andy Ibanez (2B and 3B) Kevin McGonigle (SS, 2B, and... 3B?) Trey Sweeney (SS) Jace Jung (2B and 3B) And it would also be sweet if Wenceel Perez could get over his "yips" at 2B and again be a candidate for playing time there. Somehow... we need to be able to piece together a middle infield and 3B out of all these guys (including Keith). IMO. I think a few of those names will be gone. I suspect Ibanez will be gone, Vierling’s IF days may be over, and Cruz will be taken via rule V (hi Shelton). Quote
oblong Posted October 14 Posted October 14 AJ Hinch signed an extension this summer. Neither he or Harris wanted to publicize it but they announced it yesterday. Quote
oblong Posted October 14 Posted October 14 4 minutes ago, casimir said: There’s no need for a DH. They already have Carpenter and Greene as offense first middling defensive corner OFs. And if I’m building a roster, I’m using DH as a partial day off for everyday position players. I think that can help alleviate some of the wear and tear of a roster, especially given the age of shorter outing pitchers clogging up half of the team. Yes. After going through Victor and Miggy I'm done with full time DH's. Especially ones who can't score from 2nd on a double. 🙂 2 Quote
Shades of Deivi Cruz Posted October 14 Posted October 14 12 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: On 2B and/or SS and/or backup 3B... List of candidates: Hao Yu Lee (mostly 2B and 3B) Trei Cruz (2B, SS, 3B) Javier Baez (2B, SS, 3B, OF including CF) Matt Vierling (CF and backup or RH'ed 3B) Zach McKinstry (2B, SS, 3B) Andy Ibanez (2B and 3B) Kevin McGonigle (SS, 2B, and... 3B?) Trey Sweeney (SS) Jace Jung (2B and 3B) And it would also be sweet if Wenceel Perez could get over his "yips" at 2B and again be a candidate for playing time there. Somehow... we need to be able to piece together a middle infield and 3B out of all these guys (including Keith). IMO. "Who are guys I don't want to rely on as everyday players, for $100 Alex." Quote
theroundsquare Posted October 14 Posted October 14 Trying to think differently, I wonder if there may be any possibility that Riley Greene would be traded this offseason. A team looking for power or LH power in particular, and that can deal with the Ks, could be interested. I don't think Riley's long-term is in the OF. He looks like he's stepping in mud when he runs. He may be a 1B within a few years. Would it blow a hole in the lineup? Kinda. That depends on what comes back in return, and what else the Tigers could do to bolster the team with an OF spot to work with. Quote
oblong Posted October 14 Posted October 14 The problem as i see it is the reason we would be willing to move him are also things a receiving team sees.... Quote
Tenacious D Posted October 14 Posted October 14 38 minutes ago, theroundsquare said: Trying to think differently, I wonder if there may be any possibility that Riley Greene would be traded this offseason. A team looking for power or LH power in particular, and that can deal with the Ks, could be interested. I don't think Riley's long-term is in the OF. He looks like he's stepping in mud when he runs. He may be a 1B within a few years. Would it blow a hole in the lineup? Kinda. That depends on what comes back in return, and what else the Tigers could do to bolster the team with an OF spot to work with. If other teams have a similar outlook, he might not command enough to make it worth moving him. Still only 25, I think he’ll hold up for his remaining years of control. The bigger question is whether we eventually extend him. Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted October 14 Posted October 14 (edited) 38 minutes ago, oblong said: The problem as i see it is the reason we would be willing to move him are also things a receiving team sees.... I think some teams that have a young OF would be interested. Someone like the Orioles with Beavers, Kjerstad, Cowser, Dylan Carlson....... If we could pry one of their young bucks (Cowser would be my preference) and someone like Mayo, I'd be all for it. It could work out for them too...... They also have Enrique Bradfield about to come up. Ike Irish could move fast and with Catcher blocked by Rutschman/Basallo, he could move to the OF and be up in 2026..... Best college hitter last year......... he should be fast tracked. So Greene moving to a team that's loaded with young OF'rs shouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities. He'd provide an all-star veteran presence that some teams could really like. Even if he is lacking in the defense area a little...... ---------------------------------------------------- I forgot he's 25. There's still plenty of time for room for improvement. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/riley-greene-682985?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb - Looks like his defense actually ticked up this year. Edited October 14 by AlaskanTigersFan Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 14 Posted October 14 (edited) 2 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: On 2B and/or SS and/or backup 3B... What are we going to do with Max Anderson. He may be the most reasonably ready reasonably high contact RH bat in the system right now. Edited October 14 by gehringer_2 Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted October 14 Posted October 14 3 hours ago, casimir said: Suarez just turned 34 years old? Wow, it seems like he should be older. Trading for him would have been one thing. But I'm not sure I'd chase in him free agency. He's another strikeout prone hitter with poor defensive acumen. He'll probably command a large salary, but I'd like the Tigers to go elsewhere with the funds. Additionally, they're a bit dug into Keith as a longer term player given the contract. Its not a bad contract per se, but they did offer the extension. That extension by itself should mean something as far as longer term plans. I think for all involved, its probably best to let him focus on coming into camp as a 3B. He was placed out of position in his rookie season. He kind of got moved around a bit this past season. There seem to be more internal options for 2B than there are for 3B (not that there aren't other means of filling that position). Suarez is the exact opposite type of player than what we should be looking to acquire Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted October 14 Posted October 14 9 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: What are we going to do with Max Anderson. He may be the most reasonably ready reasonably high contact RH bat in the system right now. I think he's the #2 trade bait behind Jung. A lot of people around the league are still high on Jung. But Anderson could be a deal for an OF' or pitcher. Quote
Shinzaki Posted October 14 Posted October 14 (edited) I'd like to see RHH Eduardo Valencia get a shot as a backup C/1b/DH...even if you view him as a possible 3rd C..he would still have value as a DH/1B Edited October 14 by Shinzaki Quote
ToledoBrian Posted October 14 Posted October 14 1 hour ago, AlaskanTigersFan said: I think some teams that have a young OF would be interested. Someone like the Orioles with Beavers, Kjerstad, Cowser, Dylan Carlson....... If we could pry one of their young bucks (Cowser would be my preference) and someone like Mayo, I'd be all for it. It could work out for them too...... They also have Enrique Bradfield about to come up. Ike Irish could move fast and with Catcher blocked by Rutschman/Basallo, he could move to the OF and be up in 2026..... Best college hitter last year......... he should be fast tracked. So Greene moving to a team that's loaded with young OF'rs shouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities. He'd provide an all-star veteran presence that some teams could really like. Even if he is lacking in the defense area a little...... ---------------------------------------------------- I forgot he's 25. There's still plenty of time for room for improvement. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/riley-greene-682985?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb - Looks like his defense actually ticked up this year. At 25 years old, I still see Riley Greene as a cornerstone building block on this team. Does he need to make adjustments to cut down on SO's, definitely. Hopefully Detroit can add 1 power RHH to the lineup. Do our chances of keeping Gleyber Torres on a QO contract or show me contract increase due to his sports hernia surgery, maybe. WIth Torres, Tork, Greene, Dingler, Carpenter & Keith, add another power RHH, hopefully McGonigle & Clark arrive sooner than later in 2026. Skubal, Mize, Melton, Olson, Flaherty (? option), Verlander as SP to start the year. With Detroit's current controlled payroll, I say make your pitch to pay Skubal, frontloaded for the next 4-5 years @ 40+ / yr for 9 years. Quote
1984Echoes Posted October 14 Posted October 14 2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: What are we going to do with Max Anderson. He may be the most reasonably ready reasonably high contact RH bat in the system right now. Thanks. And Max Anderson (2B and DH). I don't know why I forgot to include him but he's definitely in the mix. Quote
romad1 Posted October 14 Posted October 14 Carlos, Carlos, Carlos... https://www.freep.com/story/sports/columnists/carlos-monarrez/2025/10/14/detroit-tigers-scott-harris-big-step-forward/86681024007/ Quote
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