CMRivdogs Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Finding myself more amused than outraged. But, I guess thats what happens when you get old. I remember reading some of the early versions of Grimm's Fairy tales when I was younger. They've all been sanitized. Funny, I can't find the old Danny Kaye book anywhere... But, looking forward to reading James and the Great Big Peach.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 I don't even know who that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted February 20, 2023 Author Share Posted February 20, 2023 Roald Dahl and Ian Flemming were both unusual men to be writers of books for kids https://literary007.com/2014/02/15/the-irregular-lives-of-ian-fleming-and-roald-dahl/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 20 minutes ago, oblong said: I don't even know who that is. Children's author probably geared to ages 9, 10, 11 or so. My son loved some of his books. James and the Giant Peach, Willie Wonka among others. There are some misogyny and racial overtones in some of his books and I understand the concern of some. But I feel the same way about banning and possibly rewriting some of the Dr Seuss books or even Mark Twain. I feel somewhere its the role of the parent(s) to discuss concerns with their children not self appointed or elected gatekeepers. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, romad1 said: Roald Dahl and Ian Flemming were both unusual men to be writers of books for kids https://literary007.com/2014/02/15/the-irregular-lives-of-ian-fleming-and-roald-dahl/ So was Dr Seuss... edit If you take a look at the Twitter and social media feed of the author of the Gone series of novels, Michael Grant, you'd probably say the same thing. Edited February 20, 2023 by CMRivdogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted February 20, 2023 Author Share Posted February 20, 2023 Just now, CMRivdogs said: So was Dr Seuss... In the respect that the British liaison in Washington was a propaganda outfit, the three share that aspect. Geisel was not as involved directly in combat as the two brits were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 ah ok. now I know who he is. I didn't read them. I think you can look at each one on a case by case basis. If it's blatant and not germane to the character's actions or speaking style then I don't have an issue with it. Also if it's a distraction. I had this thought recently when I watched The Verdict for the first time. When Newman slaps her it was startling. Both that he did it and b/c it wasn't treated as a thing. He was mad. Slapped her. Then the other guys just pulled him away and off he went, like this is what people sometimes do when they get mad at a woman. He had every right to be furious with her obviously, so express it in a different way. If you are stereotyping minorities like we'd see with Asians and Black people back then, I think those are ok to edit or have a disclaimer b/c it's not the same thing as a slave owner using the N word. That's how they would have talked so represent that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Desantis in Staten Islnd today.lol. The whitest, most racist people in the tri-state. Perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 14 minutes ago, oblong said: ah ok. now I know who he is. I didn't read them. If you are stereotyping minorities like we'd see with Asians and Black people back then, I think those are ok to edit or have a disclaimer b/c it's not the same thing as a slave owner using the N word. That's how they would have talked so represent that. I agree. I also don't have a major problem with what the family of Dr Seuss did with some of his stories...they own them, they have a right of control. But at the same time as a parent it opens up an opportunity for discussion. TBH, I don't know the correct answer. For example I'm heading to a program this afternoon in CW featuring the actors who portray George and Martha Washington. The subject basically covers slavery, Martha's take when she discovers her husband's will (which frees his slaves) and George will talk about his views changed over time. I saw something similar with a younger version of GW and his interaction with the Indian tribes a couple of months ago. I find it fascinating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Tiger337 said: Make a Pixar movie with this slate of characters... it'd be awesome...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Interesting read. It's been 50 years since a Democratic President died. A reflection of JFK/LBJ's early deaths (46 and 63), Carter's longevity (98), and the transition to baby boomer Presidents Clinton and Obama, who pretty much bookend the accepted defined baby boomer range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 The Clintons aren't going to whack former Democratic presidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 If Johnson ran and won a 2nd term, he would have died only 2 days after leaving office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 52 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: If Johnson ran and won a 2nd term, he would have died only 2 days after leaving office. I know right? That left Nixon with no predecessors. Very rare. I looked it up once but forgot who else beyond Adams when Washington died. but Johnson chain smoked after leaving office and that likely expedited his death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Johnson was only 64 when he died. He was 55 when he took office after Kennedy was assassinated. Man did he look old for 55. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Everybody looked old at 55 then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Eisenhower was 62 when he took office and looked younger. Ford was 64 and looked younger. Jimmy Carter was 53 and looked a lot younger. Nixon was 55 when he took office and looked younger. Johnson did look every bit of a chain smoker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Gerald Ford is 63 in this picture. Sparky Anderson is 42. That's wild. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 This is one of the last photos of LBJ. I believe his last public appearance was at Truman’s funeral, which was about a month before he died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, oblong said: This is one of the last photos of LBJ. I believe his last public appearance was at Truman’s funeral, which was about a month before he died. I think LBJ also consciously cultivated an 'old guy' look. If you got him out of those glasses he doesn't actually look too bad there for a guy from a sunny climate. The other thing is the big ears. Ears grow throughout your life so if you are born with large ones to begin with, you automatically look older than average. Edited February 23, 2023 by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: I think LBJ also consciously cultivated an 'old guy' look. If you got him out of those glasses he doesn't actually look too bad there for a guy from a sunny climate. The other thing is the big ears. Ears grow throughout your life so if you are born with large ones to begin with, you automatically look older than average. He claimed to have gotten a lot more “tail” as he put it than JFK and was jealous of that reputation he had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: If Johnson ran and won a 2nd term, he would have died only 2 days after leaving office. If he had stayed in office he would not have survived the full 2nd term. Think about it, after lifting the stress he only made it those two days. The idea of a President Humphrey makes me shudder as much as President Nixon and I was only about 7 then. Two nasty, cynical old men with no real purpose. At least LBJ supported the Civil Rights bill, which cost him a LOT of political friends and turned the South Red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Tell me, did people in that part of Ohio support deregulation for the rail industry. Pretty sure a great many of them did. They are very anti-EPA there too. Who is dumb enough to think an industry will police itself. That's like ksaying 'm sure the NFL will do everything in their power to protect player safety.......everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: Tell me, did people in that part of Ohio support deregulation for the rail industry. Pretty sure a great many of them did. They are very anti-EPA there too. Who is dumb enough to think an industry will police itself. That's like ksaying 'm sure the NFL will do everything in their power to protect player safety.......everything. It's easy rhetoric to do what Reagan did and make rhetorical hay out of when the government screws up, and then. conclude the answer is to kill the gov completely. Easy to do and easy to get funded by the commercial interests who want nothing more than to get that government along with that pesky 'public' out of the way of their profits. However the real answer to when the gov screws up is to go back, roll up your sleeves and try to make it work better. You will always fail, but the process of continuing to try is the only thing that allows successful countries to muddle through to any kind of long term success. In the end the gov is us, and if succeed in killing the gov, we will wake up to find we have killed ourselves as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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