gehringer_2 Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 Would also probably means Manchin sees no route to re-election to the Senate - which is depressing for the Dems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 From what I've read is that Manchin or whomever the "No Labels" candidate is could receive enough of the voters who voted for Trump in 2016 and Biden in 2020 to swing the EC to Trump. Look at it as another Hillary/Trump election again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: From what I've read is that Manchin or whomever the "No Labels" candidate is could receive enough of the voters who voted for Trump in 2016 and Biden in 2020 to swing the EC to Trump. Look at it as another Hillary/Trump election again. I don't think No Labels ends up running anyone, or even if they do, they drop out and endorse the Dem candidate. I think initially it'll just be a push to try and stay towards the middle with the hope that the Dem candidate makes some promises for them. I can't in a million years believe they will go into an election against Trump if it's obvious they are a spoiler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, ewsieg said: I don't think No Labels ends up running anyone, or even if they do, they drop out and endorse the Dem candidate. I think initially it'll just be a push to try and stay towards the middle with the hope that the Dem candidate makes some promises for them. I can't in a million years believe they will go into an election against Trump if it's obvious they are a spoiler. never underestimate the vanity of an American politician of any party. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/07/24/how-gretchen-whitmer-made-michigan-a-democratic-stronghold Nice write up on Whitmer, I wonder how much is going on in the background to get her ready to run in 2024 and how much this might be a part of it. I think she gets too much credit for some of the things she's done in Michigan. It's easier to manage when you come into a budget that is under control and then get fed money thrown at you. That said, i'd take her over Biden, and definitely over Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 46 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Would also probably means Manchin sees no route to re-election to the Senate - which is depressing for the Dems. Is it? Because wasn't he more or less a functional Republican already? Not MAGA, of course—not yet, anyway—and not on every issue. But pretty close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, chasfh said: Is it? Because wasn't he more or less a functional Republican already? Not MAGA, of course—not yet, anyway—and not on every issue. But pretty close. Not even close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/joe-manchin/ The closest person to Manchin in terms of how they vote under Biden is Bernie Sanders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, ewsieg said: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/joe-manchin/ The closest person to Manchin in terms of how they vote under Biden is Bernie Sanders. Have you actually looked at Manchin's voting record, seriously? He's from By God West Virginia. As MAGA as they get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 Manchin is a conservative Democrat, or what we used to call Blue Dogs. He's also a Big Business guy who used to run a coal company. And a life long politician who will talk out of both sides of his mouth to get re-elected. Another 75 year old running for office. Exactly what this country needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 1 minute ago, CMRivdogs said: Have you actually looked at Manchin's voting record, seriously? He's from By God West Virginia. As MAGA as they get. Well, per my link, he's with Biden roughly 90% of the time. He's by far the biggest gap difference from any party with his state nearly +40 for GOP over Dems and yet democratic approved bills get 90% of his votes. How dems are OK with writing him off in place for what would definitely be a MAGA GOP senator who would vote maybe 20% democratic approved bills is beyond me. But yes, in true democratic form, unless you side with the party 100% of the time, you're against the party. The dem party, a bastion for diverse views and thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 Joe Big Coal needs what he is to get elected. Just like every other politician. If I lived in White Sulfur Springs, WVa, I'd probably vote for him over some bible quoting, false profit Trump lover. That's life, stop making everything black and white. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Have you actually looked at Manchin's voting record, seriously? He's from By God West Virginia. As MAGA as they get. How he votes on bills is not as important as that his vote keeps Schumer in place instead of McConnell, No comparison matters much beyond that one because that is what stands between us and effective control of Capitol Hill by the Freedom Caucus. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted July 18, 2023 Author Share Posted July 18, 2023 And they will stop all judicial confirmations if the republic party controls the senate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 Dems primarying Manchin just shows how they need more pragmatists, fewer ideologues running the show. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted July 18, 2023 Author Share Posted July 18, 2023 My opinion is that someone with concentrated power to determine who runs for office isn't desirable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted July 19, 2023 Author Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 10 hours ago, pfife said: Amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Did they splice together different parts of a speech to arrive at that video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 9 hours ago, chasfh said: Did they splice together different parts of a speech to arrive at that video? I would think so, but Greene is such a low IQ individual that it's possible she said it all that stuff together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I would think so, but Greene is such a low IQ individual that it's possible she said it all that stuff together. Seemed spliced, which would make me a little sad, actually. I don't want to think the Biden people would stoop to something so crass. That's more the other side's brand. I know, I know, they all suck. I'm just rooting for the people I prefer in office to suck a lot less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, chasfh said: Seemed spliced, which would make me a little sad, actually. I don't want to think the Biden people would stoop to something so crass. That's more the other side's brand. I know, I know, they all suck. I'm just rooting for the people I prefer in office to suck a lot less. It was cheap, but Greene is so dumb I am not sure she even gets why they would splice it together that way. She is not some slick politician pretending to be dumb to appease the anti-intellectual base. She really is as dumb as she sounds. Edited July 19, 2023 by Tiger337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasTiger Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 I think it was edited for length. I saw a complete version and she said all that stuff. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, VegasTiger said: I think it was edited for length. I saw a complete version and she said all that stuff. Yup. The first time I saw it the Biden campaign had put up a link to C-Span or some source with her whole commentary - then Lincoln project took it from there. Edited July 20, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted July 20, 2023 Author Share Posted July 20, 2023 Yeah when I saw it, it was pretty much just like that commercial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.