Shinzaki Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Bad move? Mantha hasn't been too good in DC. The 2021 1st was flipped to get Cossa...he's doing pretty well right now in his 1st pro season in Toledo and the 2022 2nd was Buchelnikov...looks like a prospect if he ever comes stateside. In any case...I think it's too early to say it's a bad deal as the assets we got back are still developing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Shinzaki said: Bad move? Mantha hasn't been too good in DC. The 2021 1st was flipped to get Cossa...he's doing pretty well right now in his 1st pro season in Toledo and the 2022 2nd was Buchelnikov...looks like a prospect if he ever comes stateside. In any case...I think it's too early to say it's a bad deal as the assets we got back are still developing Ach - I forgot about the pick! Edited March 3, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: Ach - I forgot about the pick! vrana scored as many goals in detroit as mantha did in washington. in 1/3 of the games. the trade didnt work out perfectly, but its ultimate value will depend on how cossa and buchelnikov do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 yzerman is buddies with st louis's gm. is this just a payback for robbing the blues of walman and fabbri? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted March 3, 2023 Author Share Posted March 3, 2023 color me confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 I heard Sundqvist to the Wild for a pick but no details/ confirmation yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted March 3, 2023 Author Share Posted March 3, 2023 Apparently JVR is now NOT coming to Detroit?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said: color me confused Detroit pulled out on the JVR trade I guess...? At least at this point. Or maybe they 1st have to move Sundqvist...? If they bring him in... I think it's just for playoff-level leadership, not for his soon-to-be 34 y.o. skillset...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Sundqvist traded to the Wild for a 2023 4th... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 That pick's a little weak so... I think the important part of that deal will be what subsequent moves SY makes... with that pick or otherwise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted March 3, 2023 Author Share Posted March 3, 2023 Guessing they weren't interested in re-signing Sundqvist but a fourth seems to be a pretty whatever lottery ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 PS: Probably shouldn't expect more than a 4th for Sundqvist... not what I meant... But that SY is trying to build a playoff-level team so that return is weaker than just holding onto him... dependent on some subsequent move SY is planning/ trying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 I would guess SY is collecting the later round picks just to trade them later, haven't we heard him say threre isn't much to find in the later rounds of the draft? Or maybe I'm misremembering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 (edited) Going to be some room for some call-ups. Edited March 3, 2023 by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I would guess SY is collecting the later round picks just to trade them later, haven't we heard him say threre isn't much to find in the later rounds of the draft? Or maybe I'm misremembering. No... He said the team needs to "hit" on some later round picks. It can't just be 1st rounders that a team hits on... In reference to your point... he has also said that a team can haver too many draft picks and needs to utilize them in different manners... So... he's used them in trades (obtained Husso for a pick), and in trade ups to target a player (Cossa). I think that this is what you are thinking of...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 26 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said: Apparently JVR is now NOT coming to Detroit?? NHL TV Network is going to discuss this failed trade. Also: Detroit may have been only a salary retention team for a pick in this trade, but... not certain what failed in the trade? Watch NHL and we'll see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 I didn't think Oskar was particularly good but he did work hard. Moving 4 players seems like a lot - it is a lot but since Bertuzzi and Vrana hadn't played much they are pretty much only filling in for 2 the rest of the way - and Ras of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: NHL TV Network is going to discuss this failed trade. Also: Detroit may have been only a salary retention team for a pick in this trade, but... not certain what failed in the trade? Watch NHL and we'll see... detroit retained salary on bert and vrana, they cant retain anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Oskar was a RH shot...but so is Alex Chiasson who they apparently signed They also signed John Lethemon...the goalie who's doing so well at Toledo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 yzerman is assembling a lot of picks. that islanders pick could end up being vancouver's unprotected first in 2024 and the bert pick could be the bruins unprotected first in 2025 if the bruins age results in them tanking next year. shrewd, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, buddha said: detroit retained salary on bert and vrana, they cant retain anymore. Ah, yeah... Maybe they were trying to get a 3rd team for retention and that is what fell through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 What happened to Jakub Vrana. He fell as quickly as Ned did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 17 minutes ago, Shinzaki said: Oskar was a RH shot...but so is Alex Chiasson who they apparently signed They also signed John Lethemon...the goalie who's doing so well at Toledo The other RH shots at GR: Matt Luff, Domink Shine doesn't seem to be a candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Motor City Sonics said: What happened to Jakub Vrana. He fell as quickly as Ned did. I think he basically just refused to play D, or play the D that Lalonde wanted him to... So he was dumped. I'm just reading between the lines here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: I think he basically just refused to play D, or play the D that Lalonde wanted him to... So he was dumped. I'm just reading between the lines here... Well, if it's any consolation, Vrana had as many goals in 42 games as Wing as Mantha has in 106 as a Cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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