mtutiger Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 15 minutes ago, pfife said: Imagine arguing the media has liberal bias The Bluetooth piece was a thing of beauty coming from the same folks who screamed about Hillary Clinton and data security back in 2016. Almost like they are creating stuff to complain about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, mtutiger said: The Bluetooth piece was a thing of beauty coming from the same folks who screamed about Hillary Clinton and data security back in 2016. Almost like they are creating stuff to complain about. almost.... I'm old enough to remember jared and ivanka using personal email for gov business too, weird that the 2016 infosec people were nowhere to be found. Edited December 12, 2021 by pfife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 The Brian Williams spot on MSNBC? Cuomo's ex-gig on CNN PBS???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 I am an avid follower of 5 Sunday morning talk shows (well, audio podcasts of them) and consistently he has made this one the best one. It's way worse when there's a substitute host. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 If anyone cares. The Fox and CBS Sunday shows are by far the best, the other three aren't even close. Now it will probably be CBS as the clear best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, pfife said: If anyone cares. The Fox and CBS Sunday shows are by far the best, the other three aren't even close. Now it will probably be CBS as the clear best. You don't care for Chuck Todd? For hosts and panelists who begin every sentence with "Look"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said: You don't care for Chuck Todd? For hosts and panelists who begin every sentence with "Look"? I wouldn't rank MTP worst, believe it or not. but damn close lol. Here's the official pfife power rankings, and these are clearly subject to change pretty soon here.... 1) Fox News Sunday 2)CBS Face the Nation 3) CNN State of the Union (especially Dana Bash hosting instead of Tapper) 4) MTP 5) ABC's Stephanopolis show. Edited December 12, 2021 by pfife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pfife Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 I can't believe anyone reads nytimes columns anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Jim Cowan said: You don't care for Chuck Todd? For hosts and panelists who begin every sentence with "Look"? pet peeve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 hours ago, pfife said: This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, romad1 said: This He will fit in well at CNN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 13 minutes ago, Archie said: He will fit in well at CNN. Because he cares about actual fairness, balance, and journalism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 40 minutes ago, chasfh said: Because he cares about actual fairness, balance, and journalism. I don't think the troll cares about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 hours ago, chasfh said: Because he cares about actual fairness, balance, and journalism. No because he is a liberal and CNN is a very liberal media outlet. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) lol "cnn is a very liberal media outlet" it's awesome that you managed to be wrong twice in one sentence chief Edited December 13, 2021 by pfife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 which is further left, cnn or jacobin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, pfife said: I can't believe anyone reads nytimes columns anymore IDK, there are two sets of voices in play here. First are the house conservatives like Bret Stephens who the Times generally allows to get by on a lower level of intellectual rigor in the name of 'balance.' Frankly I wouldn't bother. If your editors believe these people are wrong, provide balance by reporting on them, but not carrying them. OTOH, if the complaint is about their left side writers whose agenda is enlarging the anti-facist coalition then understanding that the left's tendency to eat itself from the inside out is its biggest challenge to successfully meeting the right side threat is worth the ink. You need to pull in the middle in America, and when you present intellectual constructs that the middle cannot make head or tail of you have lost/will lose. Like it or not that is the way it is. Even if the left continues to believe in its righteousness it needs to find paradigms and rhetorical systems in which to present its ideas that actually attract the majorities - in fact - supermajorities that are no required to accomplish anything. So I don't find anything wrong with NYT opinion writers sounding the alarm to segments of the left for whom purity to too much a virtue. Edited December 13, 2021 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) old enough to remember 2 months ago when "very liberal CNN" repeatedly trashed the largest civilian evacuation ever. No sale on that lie Edited December 13, 2021 by pfife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Archie said: No because he is a liberal and CNN is a very liberal media outlet. lol Edited December 13, 2021 by chasfh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 4 hours ago, pfife said: old enough to remember 2 months ago when "very liberal CNN" repeatedly trashed the largest civilian evacuation ever. No sale on that lie BS, they did not do that. They did criticize aspects of it, no doubt. And as much as you want to believe the narrative that it was the greatest thing since sliced bread, there were some legitimate concerns. I mean, think of that drone strike, pretend Trump was president when that happened, you're opinion of that change even a little? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 9 hours ago, chasfh said: lol You're not paying attention if you don't think CNN is a liberal outlet. They're no different than any other media in that they are biased in their reporting. The current administrations blunders are so bad and obvious that even the liberal media has to report on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, ewsieg said: BS, they did not do that. They did criticize aspects of it, no doubt. And as much as you want to believe the narrative that it was the greatest thing since sliced bread, there were some legitimate concerns. I mean, think of that drone strike, pretend Trump was president when that happened, you're opinion of that change even a little? no sale, they did exactly what I said. Thanks for trying to change the topic to some hypothetical that you think is a gotcha for me though. Edited December 13, 2021 by pfife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, pfife said: no sale, they did exactly what I said. From your partisan eyes, I'm sure they did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, ewsieg said: From your partisan eyes, I'm sure they did. this thread is about the media not me or my eyes, despite your obsession with me and them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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