pfife Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 trump very much wanted to overturn the results of the free and fair election because he lost. You trumpers can call it whatever you will but you don't get to make up that he lost and tried to topple our elected government b/c he lost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 21 hours ago, Jim Cowan said: Don't even respond. Its on the index card. Lie, distort, redirect, ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 On 12/8/2021 at 11:04 PM, ewsieg said: To your point, was it an insurrection, I don't know. Probably not. Trump IMO, wasn't viewing it as that, he probably thought all the 'yes' men around him were saying the truth. And those playing the 'stolen election' angle, probably sure some truly believed it and the others justified it in some way. I dont know how either of these things are inconsistent with the idea that an insurrection took place on 1/6. If anything, a lot has come out since then (such as the power point) that has bolstered the case that the folks at the top were more serious about overturning the election result and installing Trump than I had realized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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oblong Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: I dont know how either of these things are inconsistent with the idea that an insurrection took place on 1/6. If anything, a lot has come out since then (such as the power point) that has bolstered the case that the folks at the top were more serious about overturning the election result and installing Trump than I had realized. It was an insurrection. They legitimately thought that on January 6 events would occur that would have prevented Biden from being declared the winner. They thought it was going to happen. That's why they had their "party". It was a tailgate for a game they expected to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, oblong said: It was an insurrection. They legitimately thought that on January 6 events would occur that would have prevented Biden from being declared the winner. They thought it was going to happen. That's why they had their "party". It was a tailgate for a game they expected to win. Yeah, there was definitely planning around what happened. That doesn't mean that every single person who showed up was involved in the planning, but you'll never convince me that the entire event was spontaneous... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1984Echoes Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 On 12/9/2021 at 12:04 AM, ewsieg said: .... was it an insurrection, I don't know. Probably not. Trump IMO, wasn't viewing it as that... Bullshit. He asked for an insurrection. He directed the insurrection. He loved that he got an insurrection. He is too F'ing gutless to participate/ or lead an insurrection... so he went and hid out while it occurred... And he was upset when it failed. Pure. And simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 53 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Just to repeat that: Record job growth. Record wage growth. Lowest unemployment claims. And the Stock Market is at its HIGHEST POINT EVER... ALL... under President Joseph Biden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Inflation was the big story tonight from Lester Holt. They were talking about people who were not buying Christmas presents this year because they couldn't afford them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 40 minutes ago, Archie said: Inflation was the big story tonight from Lester Holt. They were talking about people who were not buying Christmas presents this year because they couldn't afford them. The Elite 17% are too busy adding on to their lake homes and trying to count all that stimulus money in the bank to care. At least that’s the narrative I am being told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Right because some people not being able to buy christmas presents never happened until 2021. I guess all those years I was adopting families and buying clothes and toys… I was just being duped. That’s what I get for being an elitist. but I also thought all the shelves were empty? Can you guys make up your mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 I don't own a lake home and I was able to afford Christmas presents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 35 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I don't own a lake home and I was able to afford Christmas presents. You are very rare. Nobody has saved money during the pandemic. But at the same time everyone got big raises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 14 minutes ago, oblong said: You are very rare. Nobody has saved money during the pandemic. But at the same time everyone got big raises. I just pulled myself up by the bootstraps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 10 hours ago, oblong said: Right because some people not being able to buy christmas presents never happened until 2021. I guess all those years I was adopting families and buying clothes and toys… I was just being duped. That’s what I get for being an elitist. but I also thought all the shelves were empty? Can you guys make up your mind? Wow you gave out a few shillings, I would sleep better at night to good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 10 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: I don't own a lake home and I was able to afford Christmas presents. It's because you had all that stimmy money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 10 hours ago, oblong said: Right because some people not being able to buy christmas presents never happened until 2021. I guess all those years I was adopting families and buying clothes and toys… I was just being duped. That’s what I get for being an elitist. but I also thought all the shelves were empty? Can you guys make up your mind? The media likes to focus on the extreme cases (think the parents that were complaining on CNN about how much they spend on milk when they buy 12 gal/wk). That doesn't mean that inflation doesn't impact a family's budget. I do the finances in our house and I know it has impacted ours.... Having said that, I also know that its a little more complicated than just saying its all Biden's fault as well. A lot of it comes down to supply chain issues, and much of that us beyond our control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 19 minutes ago, mtutiger said: The media likes to focus on the extreme cases (think the parents that were complaining on CNN about how much they spend on milk when they buy 12 gal/wk). That doesn't mean that inflation doesn't impact a family's budget. I do the finances in our house and I know it has impacted ours.... Having said that, I also know that its a little more complicated than just saying its all Biden's fault as well. A lot of it comes down to supply chain issues, and much of that us beyond our control. Exaclty, Biden has not caused inflation but here we are. The problem I have is the left spins it that inflation will stop after Christmas just like Trump said COVID would be gone at Easter...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 10 hours ago, oblong said: You are very rare. Nobody has saved money during the pandemic. But at the same time everyone got big raises. OK I'm done! You have very good takes and I keep trying to get under your skin. I know you are a good guy even for a elitist. 🤑 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Exaclty, Biden has not caused inflation but here we are. The problem I have is the left spins it that inflation will stop after Christmas just like Trump said COVID would be gone at Easter...... As someone on "the left" I'd like to formally disassociate myself with claims that it will be gone by Christmas. I don't know when it will be done. tags: inflation, receipts for December 26th me Edited December 11, 2021 by pfife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Exaclty, Biden has not caused inflation but here we are. The problem I have is the left spins it that inflation will stop after Christmas just like Trump said COVID would be gone at Easter...... Not just that, but just the pretending thr problem doesn't exist in general.... it comes across as out of touch. Not so much elected politicians on this front, but people on the left on social media and such. In terms of how long it goes on, it's not just gonna magically go away, the increases in CPI will taper month by month over time... from what I've read, getting down to 4% or less by Q2 next year would be a win at this point 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Exaclty, Biden has not caused inflation but here we are. The problem I have is the left spins it that inflation will stop after Christmas just like Trump said COVID would be gone at Easter...... population is still getting older, demand will still be weak once supply chain issues taper off so the long term trend will remain deflationary. On the inflation side the labor market is finally tight enough to produce some wage inflation, and the the stimulus on the fiscal side is large. But the monetary stimulus on the fed side has also been large and as the Fed tapers that the extra effect of the fiscal stimulus will be blunted. I can see the problem being that as the Fed tapers, it will depress the market and the Wall Street people will start screaming about it. One of the problems ever since 2008 is that too much of the stimulus in the economy has been monetary, and that money tends to flow too much to investors, compared to fiscal stimulus which flows into the economy on more of a bottom up basis. But we have a pretty spoiled investor class in the US now. The Fed should be able to control this inflation if politics allow it to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 8 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Exaclty, Biden has not caused inflation but here we are. The problem I have is the left spins it that inflation will stop after Christmas ... It will slow down after Christmas because we enter a very normal slowdown in the winter months. Less home buying, less gift giving, less driving, pretty much less everything. That will slow down inflation... and it ain't magic... and it ain't conspiracy mongering from the left. The world has until spring to figure out how to loosen up supply chains... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 Imagine arguing the media has liberal bias Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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