CMRivdogs Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 So there are 19 members who really don't want to govern. And don't want anyone else to govern either. High school stuff... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gehringer_2 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) The calculus is that the hard core right is betting the rest of the causus would rather cave and support them than agree to any coalition with the dems. And I would say that in the end that is probably good bet. The GOP middle has already shown itself to be spineless in their handling of Trump, and the threat of being primaried if they voted for a coalition Speaker will eventually carry the day. Edited January 3, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: One or two Congresses ago I'd have bet on this outcome, but I'm not sure there are enough GOP members sympathtic to this view left, or whose seats would be safe enough if they adopted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 The crazies are in charge. The rest of the party has no spine. And the voters, for the most part, don't give a shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 13 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: So there are 19 members who really don't want to govern. And don't want anyone else to govern either. High school stuff... Honestly, I would have thought the number to be way higher than nineteen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: The crazies are in charge. The rest of the party has no spine. And the voters, for the most part, don't give a shit. the truth is that not much usually happens legislatively in the 2nd half of a presidential term anyway. The dems control appointments and they got the budget they wanted this year - Jordan's threat of two full years of nothing but continuing resolutions will be no skin off the Democrats' noses. Edited January 3, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 1 minute ago, chasfh said: Honestly, I would have thought the number to be way higher than nineteen. Probably are (see MTG) but they've been bought off like the frauds they really are. The 19 are the True Believers in Orbanism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: the truth is that not much usually happens legislatively in the 2nd half of a presidential term anyway. They got the budget they wanted this year - Jeffries' threat of two full years of nothing but continuing resolutions will be no skin off the Democrats' noses. If anything maybe two years of having Jefferies front and center for the Democrats might give Dems a tru successor to Biden if he decides not to run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, chasfh said: Honestly, I would have thought the number to be way higher than nineteen. I think it is higher than 19 (around 30 IIRC) but several have chickened out (Jordan, MTG, etc.) and gone over to McCarthy already in this game of chicken... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 1 minute ago, CMRivdogs said: If anything maybe two years of having Jefferies front and center for the Democrats might give Dems a tru successor to Biden if he decides not to run. and again, the GOP would much rather run against the size of a budget than acutally cut one, so they don't *really* care either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 23 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Current Trump Party, playing chicken with Democracy... They are doing much more than just playing chicken... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 I tend to doubt this would change anything. The FAUX Bomb Throwers are more likely to throw Kevin under the bus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gehringer_2 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 1 minute ago, CMRivdogs said: I tend to doubt this would change anything. The FAUX Bomb Throwers are more likely to throw Kevin under the bus Interesting call for Murdoch. McCarthy is Trump's man and supposedly Murdoch is done with Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Yeah, it's way too early for that. It's going to take at least a couple weeks of this dysfunction before the Scalise/ Upton rumors have any chance of gaining legs... Edited January 3, 2023 by 1984Echoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CMRivdogs Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 1 minute ago, 1984Echoes said: Yeah, it's way too early for that. It's going to take at least a couple weeks of this dysfunction before the Scalise/ Upton rumors have any chance of gaining legs... When does the current budget run out of money and the country declares bankrupcy? Of Course the usual suspects will blame Biden even though the Congress controls the purse strings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 Well... The middle has fallen back into line behind him. It's only 19 hardcore Fascists (Trumpists) that are refusing to fall in line. Because he's not Trumpy/ Fascist enough. I think it's true that he's proven himself wishy-washy... We'll see where that gets him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 Scalise is now talking and somehow blaming Democrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 1 minute ago, CMRivdogs said: When does the current budget run out of money and the country declares bankrupcy? Of Course the usual suspects will blame Biden even though the Congress controls the purse strings The budget is this September. That's what the $1.7 Trill bought: time. I'm not certain when the debt limit comes up. That will certainly be a major push on the Pubs to get their shit together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 Just now, oblong said: Scalise is now talking and somehow blaming Democrats. He' supposed to be more moderate than McCarthy, and more willing to work on legislature/ etc. with Dems. I don't know how true that is in reality. I'm certain any speeches he gives are more performative than legislative impact... I just don't know by how much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 1 minute ago, oblong said: Scalise is now talking and somehow blaming Democrats. It's always the Democrats' fault...The GOP is the Party of No Responsibility. All the popular radio and TV talkshow hosts have told us that for 35 plus years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 Hogan's preaching to the choir. Those who really need to listen never will (Damn I'm starting to sound like a cranky old man. Need to walk the dog or something) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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