gehringer_2 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, oblong said: If someone else prevails does MK stay Majority Leader? A couple of people have predicted that if McCarthy loses the Speakership he resigns shortly there-after. But this is a guy who in his dealings with Trump has demonstarted so little self-respect that I find that hard to predict. I suppose if a compromise speaker backed by more Dems then GOPs is the end result, McCarthy could still end up as majority leader since the majority of his caucus would have opposed the Speakership. Otherwise it seems not. Edited January 4, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 If I'm a Dem, here's what I'm negotiating for in order to gain my vote: 1) A full fledged ethics committee including reviews of the Reps who ignored Jan 6th subpoenas. McCarthy has agreed with the Fascist Caucus to strip this committee down to nothing. Of course he did. He's included. This is my starting point and non-negotiable. Could be a deal-killer. But I start out with a tough position, not a weak hand. 2) A full House majority vote on any investigations. Committee's can recommend, but the full House must vote. On the Afghanistan withdrawal? Yes, even some Dems. On Hunter Biden's laptop or investigating Mayorkas... have to hope enough Pubs believe this would be a ridiculous waste of time that they come to their senses and a full House votes this down. And if the House has gone a Consensus Speaker... that the Pubs will be a little sensitive to pulling stupid moves like that... because Dems could always pull support at a future date. 3) No way do I agree to 1 Rep being able to no-confidence the Speaker. Especially with a consensus Speaker... either a majority of a full House required to no-confidence or if that won't fly, then a non-1 minimum, say 11 or even better, 31 required to initiate a no-confidence. That would cut out the "performance" BS that a Boebert, MTG, or Jordan or similar would try to pull. 31 = at least a significant minority with an issue with the Speaker and at least a reasonable basis to go this route... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Some of the Insurrection Faction demands Gaetz to Chair Armed Services? FUCK HIM!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) They should ask for the Sun, Moon, Stars and that a certain former POTUS (who lost) never be allowed to even visit the White House Edited January 4, 2023 by CMRivdogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Stupidity is the GOP doing the same thing over and over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: If I'm a Dem, here's what I'm negotiating for in order to gain my vote: 1) A full fledged ethics committee including reviews of the Reps who ignored Jan 6th subpoenas. McCarthy has agreed with the Fascist Caucus to strip this committee down to nothing. Of course he did. He's included. This is my starting point and non-negotiable. Could be a deal-killer. But I start out with a tough position, not a weak hand. 2) A full House majority vote on any investigations. Committee's can recommend, but the full House must vote. On the Afghanistan withdrawal? Yes, even some Dems. On Hunter Biden's laptop or investigating Mayorkas... have to hope enough Pubs believe this would be a ridiculous waste of time that they come to their senses and a full House votes this down. And if the House has gone a Consensus Speaker... that the Pubs will be a little sensitive to pulling stupid moves like that... because Dems could always pull support at a future date. 3) No way do I agree to 1 Rep being able to no-confidence the Speaker. Especially with a consensus Speaker... either a majority of a full House required to no-confidence or if that won't fly, then a non-1 minimum, say 11 or even better, 31 required to initiate a no-confidence. That would cut out the "performance" BS that a Boebert, MTG, or Jordan or similar would try to pull. 31 = at least a significant minority with an issue with the Speaker and at least a reasonable basis to go this route... I like this list. I would like to see the Jan 6 committee continued. I dont think they should include any subpoena power in their demands because the Dems should just ignore subpoenas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: They should ask for the Sun, Moon, Stars and that a certain former POTUS (who lost) never be allowed to even visit the White House For now I can't see the Dems dealing with McCarthy - he is just too untrustworthy and agreement with him would be worthless. Heck, that's a good part of the reason he is where he is. If McCarthy steps aside maybe another GOPer. OTOH - there is a danger the Dems overplay their hand. If they are offered a reseasonable deal and hold out for more, the risk is the GOP gets it act together and they get nothing. Edited January 4, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 4, 2023 Author Share Posted January 4, 2023 What a split-screen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Please no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 4, 2023 Author Share Posted January 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: OTOH - there is a danger the Dems overplay their hand. If they are offered a reseasonable deal and hold out for more, the risk is the GOP gets it act together and they get nothing. I kind of agree with this, although I still think we're a Scalise nomination away from them seeking Dem votes. We're still a ways away, although it's fair to ask whether it's easier for someone to get there with D votes over the 20 or so insurgents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, mtutiger said: What a split-screen It is. But Sherrod is from Ohio not KY per the tweet Edited January 4, 2023 by pfife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Gaetz to Chair Armed Services? FUCK HIM!!! If Gaetz chairs Armed Services you're going to see a interesting donnybrook when DOD refuses the committee classified data. Edited January 4, 2023 by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said: Kevin now 0-4, Time to move on. Make that 0/5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 You know what they say, 6th times a charm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) Rep Don Bacon on the air saying the GOP is willing to work with the Dems (i.e. make concession to them) to end this. Edited January 4, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Why should the Democrats compromise when the GOP has been the party of NO WAY for the last two Dem Administrations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mtutiger Posted January 4, 2023 Author Share Posted January 4, 2023 6 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Rep Don Bacon on the air saying the GOP is willing to work with the Dems (i.e. make concession to them) to end this. Immediately contradicted by Brenden Buck, although I think he's a little too closed to the idea that Democrats may be the only way out of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Rep Don Bacon on the air saying the GOP is willing to work with the Dems (i.e. make concession to them) to end this. To elect Jefferies I assume. Otherwise what does the GOP have to offer the Dems? Assignments? Non Assignments? Jan 6 continues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Why should the Democrats compromise when the GOP has been the party of NO WAY for the last two Dem Administrations? How is a 'compromise' bad if it nets you something you don't have today? The Dems are playing with House money (yeah- the pun works here). Anything they walk away with in a negotiation is pure profit. It's hugely in their interest for the gov not to shut down and for budgets to get passed in Biden's last two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 132 members of the presumed majority party (they haven't been sworn in yet) voted not to certify the 2020 Presidential election. Why negotiate with terrorists? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, oblong said: To elect Jefferies I assume. Otherwise what does the GOP have to offer the Dems? Assignments? Non Assignments? Jan 6 continues? I posted up thread last that one Dem spokesRep said the Dem opening position is no games on debt service or budget passage and no investigative fishing expeditions. Those are not low value gains for the Biden admin and so the Dems in general. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Jefferies needs fewer votes to get to 218 than McCarthy to be elected speaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I posted up thread last that one Dem spokesRep said the Dem opening position is no games on debt service or budget passage and no investigative fishing expeditions. Those are not low value gains for the Biden admin and so the Dems in general. I don't trust the insurrection conference. They need to actually do something to prove they're sincere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Just now, CMRivdogs said: I don't trust the insurrection conference. They need to actually do something to prove they're sincere. No question trust is the issue and why I don't see the Dems being in any hurry to accept offer from McCarthy's camp. I think it would have to be from someone they trust more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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