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I am curious how many fans who followed the Tigers from 2017 to 2023, and watched Miggy become a below average player on an unmovable contract, would actually want the Tigers to sign Skubal to a 10 year deal. A lot of media folks are still tossing around the 10 year $400M number. I would think a 10 year contract for a 30 year old pitcher would be a stretch for almost any team and a definite no for the Tigers.

This is what the true Trump Derangement Syndrome is

I think the short contracts are good for the game. It gives a smaller market team a chance to go all in wuithout getting stuck with a contract for 10 years. Like the Tigers and Valdez.

I do not want the Tigers to sign Skubal to a 10/400 deal. It is likely the last few years could be ugly, perhaps very ugly, and the Tigers cannot risk having 40M+ in dead money on their books. That is a risk the bigger markets can take. 5 x 50 does not get it done, but I would try, and then watch him walk.

The Miggy contract was painful because of his decline and the negative impact on the team. Skubal is in his prime. There is not a Skubal trade that will make the Tigers better in 2026. The Tigers are in a position to win now. The Angels with Ohtani were in the midst of a long string of losing seasons. Huge return for one year of Skubal is a theory not based on precedent.

Typical reaction by cowards. They start a fight and cry like a bitch when you hit back. Just like the “tread on me” crowd.

I would be willing to trade Skubal for a kings ransom. Unfortunately, that is not an option. Look at the Burnes trade for the Brewers, the best player they got was Joey Ortiz, who was the 45h ranked prospect on fangraphs, and he is projected as a 2 WAR player entering his age 27 season. He's a solid player, but he is not an impact player, and not a player that meaningfully changes the outlook of your franchise over a 3-5 year period. If you have a good scouting and development organization, and don't have an incredibly cheap and deadbeat ownership, you will have no problem consistently acquiring/developing solid 2 WAR guys, missing out on a guy like that will never be what holds your team back. I checked the fangraphs top 20 prospects from 2014-2019. In that period 87 different players appeared on the lists. Of those, only 20 players had 3 or more 3+ WAR seasons during the 6 years of control. So less than 25% of top 20 prospects actually turned into consistent impact players. And the fact is you would be lucky to get a single top 20 prospect for Skubal, in all likelihood the best you'd get is two top 100 prospects, one of them probably around 50th and the second more of a back half guy. And guess what? Both of those guys are unlikely to turn out to be even average big league starters. The reality is that the Tigers would not receive a package for Skubal that will have any meaningful impact on the teams outlook for the next 6 seasons. If the Tigers trade Skubal and get one player who gives them 12 WAR over their 6 years of control, that would be an objectively successful return. Sorry, but that level of player is not hard to come by, and that is not an exciting return. I'd rather give it one more shot with Skubal, the franchises outlook over the next 6 years after this one will not change whether they trade Skubal or not.

That’s not actually her. It’s an Unknown Staffer. Next!

Like Harry Truman famously said: “The Buck Stops with the Unknown Staffer.” or something to that effect.

Also let’s not forget the Birther thing, which is a conspiracy theory rooted in nothing but racism.

2026 Detroit Tigers American League Central Evil Empire

Also, I don't think Bichette or Bregman wanted to come here. And none of us wanted Suarez to come here. Although I do think if we had gotten Valdez sooner, then guys like Bichette and Bregman would have taken us more seriously as an option.

Let's not forget the full page ad he took out calling for the death penalty for those 5 men.

If there are any maga out there that hapen to have a neighbor they refer to as “my black neighbor”, now would be a great time to reach out and make sure he knows that not all maga laugh and call him a monkey behind his back.

Skenes was paid 875K for his 6.5 WAR last year; the Pirates got a superstar performance for peanuts, and then re-allocated the money they would have had to pay a superstar pitcher right into the pockets of the owner, trotting out a bottom 5 payroll. Clearly the only solution to this problem is to limit the earning power of players, so billionaire owners can make higher profits.

Its why we all have such high insurance rates...or one of the reasons.

I think it’s dumb you lose a challenge when you win a challenge. NBA needs to fix that.

Now George and Greg will spend the rest of the game fellating the Pistons because they came back against the Wizards.

Hao-Yu Lee on Team Taiwan (I refuse to call it Chinese Taipei) in the WBC.

Some think 32 is between 30 and 40.

Eric Coe wanabes

We should thank Trump for proving the system is rigged, some people are above the law, billionaires are sick out of control fascists and truth doesn't matter.

One year in and you are 3/3

I kind of don’t blame them, given that the Tigers have not only not yet established themselves as consistent winners, but had also had a thin record post-Dombrowski when it came to signing and retaining top talent. Heck even now, a healthy percentage, if not the majority, of posters here want to trade Skubal today, just so we don’t risk him shoving our faces in the snow on the way out. We could be at the turning point now. Wouldn’t that be loverly!

I bet Anderson gets first crack at it. Melton may be the up and down guy

Maybe a DC bar?

Left ear has gone from only detecting 100khz to 90 to 85 in a month. So progress, but very slow I may end up getting a bionic ear at some point.

It didn't take long for the "pitching surplus" to work itself out!

Still faces misdemeanor charges for disorderly conduct and harassment. No matter what, there is still a 25% chance (according to lottery odds) he'll be sentenced to playing for the Vancouver Canucks.

It was ferndale

My $15.5 million in cap space includes Duren's cap hold and Robinson's full contract. Add those two up (19m + 14m) + my original $15.5 million in space, and you're right at $49 million in cap space. Spotrac saying maximum includes Klintman and Reed still on the books for some reason. Technically, they could cut both and create even more cap space. EDIT: Right around $56 million if Klintman and Reed were to be cut.

Anyone take a look at the schedule for the next month? I wish it was last month to give this front office a bit of a wake up call going into the deadline. We're about to find some things out for real... Knicks x2 Spurs x2 Cavs x2 Thunder Raptors Magic Hornets (won 9 of last 10) The only truly easy game is against the Bulls from now through March 6th.

I'm not sure what is more offensive, the fact that they used the Obamas as Gorillas or the fact that even if someone created that with no racist intent, they created it and actually thought it was good. Not only good, good enough to share.

I love how they think it’s ok because it was supposed to be from the Lion King. There’s no way to qualify it other than It’s racist as hell.

Why is that a problem? That is the whole point of the stats like OPS+. If you ignore offensive environment and defense, then Kaline was not an elite player Tucker is not an elite talent, but he is very good and is significantly better than higginson especially when you put defense into the equation. And if Tucker can finally stay healthy, he might still become elite.

Yes. It was Casper Wells dad. IIRC.

Did I already start a Carlos Monnarez appreciation thread? Its sort of evergreen for all Detroit Sports. elements of a classic CM article. take the most recent sporting event by a team, extrapolate a ridiculous subsequent prediction show no appreciation for actual Detroit sports history because he grew up as a Dodger fan Shoot hot takes like the love child of Stephen A Smith and Tony Kornheiser So, he's saying the Tigers have been humbled by the arb ruling in favor of Skubal. Ok, well. Sure.

Rare photo of the Adduci Family as the legendary Jim Jr gets his high school number retired. Credit his mom for getting his dad out of bed that morning to show up for this event.

When is this team going to do something? Valdez was 2 days ago. What else you got?

I think that Skenes could ask for $32M in his 1st arbitration year. He is allowed to ask, but the arbitrators are supposed to focus on 1st and 2nd years salaries. If they think special circumstances merit $32M, so be it. Skenes, like Skubal and Ohtani, are unicorns. I have no problem if they are are compensated as such.

Not the biggest Jenkins fan. But I'll take him over Ball 10 times out of 10. Ball shoots 30% from the field and 27% from three. Jenkins shoots 38% from three. Jenkins has similar assist numbers on less minutes. Neither is worth mentioning on defense.

What a fascinating case. I think each side had good arguments to support their view, and on a three judge panel with fairly flexible guidance, anything can happen. I’m specifically interested in the precedent set here. The fact that nothing like this had happened before was relevant, but it’s also true that a player having the specific attributes that Skubal had was never presented to a panel. Most of the preceding cases for big money were settlements. Credit to Skubal and Boras for risking millions argue their position.

Basic game theory. When your opponent won't play fair you may absorb the 1st hit. After that the optimal stratagem is to hammer back harder to show them their decision was counter-productive. It's just being practical.

He earned it. I know arbitration is just part of how they do business, but I like to see employees get what they earn relative to their peers rather than get a certain amount based mostly on seniority. I am not being critical of the Tigers here. It's more a commentary on the system.

Can't shoot the three. People posting in this forum could play better defense than he does. Undersized and has attitude issues. Not even for the vet minimum.

i keep seeing all these useful backup point guards going into trade exceptions for middling second round picks or nothing prospects and all i can think of is "are we really refusing to upgrade our backup point guard because of daniss jenkins"? you can call me a hater all you - because its true - but i'd feel a lot better with a more proven commodity backing up cade against a team that is trying on defense in the playoffs.

I think the Tigers could have tried to settle with Skubal for $30 million and he would not have taken it. The apparent intention was to challenge the arbitration system in advance of CBA talks.

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