Gun Legislation, Crime, and Events

[1776]

Not surprising….

Today’s WSJ-

Surveys Show Republicans and Democrats Are Moving Further Apart

By

Aaron Zitner

Animosity between Republicans and Democrats has risen in recent years. More than 80% of Democrats and 80% of Republicans hold not only an unfavorable view of the opposing party but a “very unfavorable” view, The Wall Street Journal found in a survey this July.

By contrast, 50% of Republicans and 40% of Democrats held “very negative” views of the opposing party when the Journal and NBC News surveyed voters in 2010.

Political disagreements have grown to the point where each party feels that losing an election means more than losing a policy debate; it means one’s way of life is at risk. When NBC News asked in 2022 if the opposing party’s agenda would destroy America if enacted, 79% of Republicans and 81% of Democrats agreed.

[mtutiger]

12 minutes ago, 1776 said:

In today’s America, everything is political. All day, everyday. 

It doesn't have to be this way.... it isn't just inherent. Our leaders make choices that lead to the environment that we live in.

The President of the United States had a choice when he sat behind the desk and gave that statement. There's nothing that could have prevented him from giving the address that literally any of his predecessors would have given in that situation. But he chose differently.

[CMRivdogs]

 

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

Shooter still hasn't been caught? Could that point back to the gutting of the fbi?

Mr Alarmist Non-sense has been wondering whether this isn't a false flag and that Kirk wasn't sacrificed by the inside in the service of a fascism strategy? Because in the absence of an apprehension, everyone from the very top on down is blaming the left/liberals/"Democrat" Party for this.

Or are they not capable of that?

[chasfh]

53 minutes ago, 1776 said:

In today’s America, everything is political. All day, everyday. 

People understandably refer to everything that's been happening in America the past few months as "political", but it all seems to have moved beyond mere politics, a term which suggests a competition between evenly-matched opponents. I'm starting the think things have evolved beyond that to something else, something I don't have the words for yet.

[chasfh]

49 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

It was very easy to make the address nonpolitical.  Every other President, regardless of party, has known how to do that in a time of tragedy.  

Doing so would not have served this particular president's interests.

[Tiger337]

4 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Mr Alarmist Non-sense has been wondering whether this isn't a false flag and that Kirk wasn't sacrificed by the inside in the service of a fascism strategy? Because in the absence of an apprehension, everyone from the very top on down is blaming the left/liberals/"Democrat" Party for this.

Or are they not capable of that?

Some have said the same about the Trump assassination attempt. That certainly looked staged.  I don't believe it, but I did think about it which is something I've never done before with any President.  

[chasfh]

7 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

 

I wonder whether there is a race between federal police forces and local police forces to the be the one to locate the shooter for the purpose of controlling the narrative about the shooter's motives?

[Tiger337]

2 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Doing so would not have served this particular president's interests.

His interests suck.  

[chasfh]

1 minute ago, Tiger337 said:

Some have said the same about the Trump assassination attempt. That certainly looked staged.  I don't believe it, but I did think about it which is something I've never done before with any President.  

I have no interest in discussing whether the shooting at the trump rally was an honest assassination attempt. All I can say is, it's a convenient miracle that Trump's ear has since completely healed.

[Deleterious]

They had close up video of Luigi shooting that CEO in NYC and it still took 5 days to find him. 

This could take a bit.

[mtutiger]

1 hour ago, 1776 said:

Not surprising….

Today’s WSJ-

Surveys Show Republicans and Democrats Are Moving Further Apart

By

Aaron Zitner

Animosity between Republicans and Democrats has risen in recent years. More than 80% of Democrats and 80% of Republicans hold not only an unfavorable view of the opposing party but a “very unfavorable” view, The Wall Street Journal found in a survey this July.

By contrast, 50% of Republicans and 40% of Democrats held “very negative” views of the opposing party when the Journal and NBC News surveyed voters in 2010.

Political disagreements have grown to the point where each party feels that losing an election means more than losing a policy debate; it means one’s way of life is at risk. When NBC News asked in 2022 if the opposing party’s agenda would destroy America if enacted, 79% of Republicans and 81% of Democrats agreed.

All of this is true, but with respect to the bolded, doesn't Charlie Kirk seem like an avatar for this sort of thought?

[chasfh]

31 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

They had close up video of Luigi shooting that CEO in NYC and it still took 5 days to find him. 

This could take a bit.

I can see the benefit to the administration of "never finding" the shooter.

[Hongbit]

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

 

The President of the United States had a choice when he sat behind the desk and gave that statement. There's nothing that could have prevented him from giving the address that literally any of his predecessors would have given in that situation. But he chose differently.

He has no predecessors.  

We’ve never had a king before.    

There are no checks and balances anymore.   The Judicial and Legislative now take orders from the Executive branch.  Congress, the courts, and the media, allow him to do whatever he decides is best for America.  
 

Edited September 11 by Hongbit

[romad1]

Oh fun

 

[romad1]

7 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Oh fun

 

Will Clay Higgins also prosecute and take away free speech rights for people who boo POTUS tonight at the yankees game? 

[gehringer_2]

3 hours ago, mtutiger said:

Yeah, it was, and to be honest Kobe wasn't necessarily someone to celebrate either for the same reasons you describe. But it was more understandable in the sense that he's at least someone who had significant name recognition among the general public.... I don't think Kirk has the same name ID and tend to think the coverage is reflected by his name ID among those with large megaphones (ie. politics and media world) versus those in the broader public.

this. 

[mtutiger]

Keystone Kops

[romad1]

2 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Keystone Kops

I was about to bite on this.  48 hour rule...got to remember that.  

[ben9753]

anti-fascist ideology? Oh the horror

[Motown Bombers]

Nothing was misread or misinterpreted. It was intentional. 

[Motown Bombers]

[gehringer_2]

21 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Keystone Kops

can't help but make me think of this:

what a different world.

Edited September 11 by gehringer_2

[mtutiger]

10 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Nothing was misread or misinterpreted. It was intentional. 

If we are being really honest with ourselves, which has been shown to be hard for many in the past 24 hours, it's pretty clear that there's a lot of motivated reasoning at the top of this investigation. And suspect that is likely in tension with the folks on the ground (state/local/feds based on Utah) who are likely much more interested in the following the facts wherever they lead. That's at least what my gut tells me.

Which is all very bad.... the identity of the killer shouldn't matter, just finding them should be what matters regardless of their ideology.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

Oh fun

 

Will this mandate also include people who mocked Minnesota State Legislator Melissa Hortman and her husband who were murdered? How about people like Donald Trump Jr. who mocked Paul Pelosi being assaulted by posting pictures of underwear and a hammer on social media?