Gun Legislation, Crime, and Events

[chasfh]

5 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

Given the environment I work in, I have run across quite a few trans people.  They have generally been pleasant.  

That’s generally true of those I have met but this one is really self-absorbed and pretty absent when you’re around her. 

[chasfh]

5 hours ago, oblong said:

As usual he's got nothing.  Typical of MAGA asshats.  They make up grievances.

 

It’s the only way they can reasonably justify their otherwise generalized anger at time refusing to stand still. 

[pfife]

Right on right crime is a real problem. 

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, LaceyLou said:

While I'm far from being a scholar of the Bible, my reading of it led me to believe that you need to live the teachings: feed the hungry, visit the sick and jailed, to name a couple. And, to go forward and sin no more. And, while I'm sure that there can be cases of people sincerely repenting at the end of their lives, I would hope that it takes more than 'yikes, I'm dying so I better become born again' in which one is only saying the words to avoid punishment. 

And.... if I were to find myself in 'Heaven' with people who are as hateful as certain of his followers are, then that frankly would not be my idea of Heaven.

Agree with you on all this, but none of that is required for evangelicals to get to heaven—they believe. It’s all about the acceptance of JCAYPLAS. Good works don’t mean did diddley. And that I believe is a purposeful distinction. 

[RatkoVarda]

2 minutes ago, pfife said:

Right on right crime is a real problem. 

they are thugs and animals.

(am I doing this right?)

[Deleterious]

1 minute ago, RatkoVarda said:

they are thugs and animals.

(am I doing this right?)

lol

[Tigermojo]

Trump can apologize to the American people for his ignorant and hateful rhetoric anytime now but he's a narcissist pedophile so there is a zero percent chance of that.

[RatkoVarda]

Charlie Kirk's corpse is of no more use to MAGA so they are moving on

 

[Tigermojo]

I'm going to buy some caps for my cap gun and some batteries for my Han Solo blaster. Things about to get nerdy.

[mtutiger]

45 minutes ago, 1776 said:

Yep, I thought about that several times yesterday and today.
Twenty four years ago today this country was probably more united than at any other time since the attack on Pearl Harbor and the WWII years. 
Today? I’d feel comfortable in saying that this country hasn’t been this divided since the Civil War years.
Civility is dying. It’s bad. 


 

I watched a clip of Vin Scully's comments after 9/11 on the first Dodger game last night... we weren't perfect and certainly what we did afterward (ie Iraq) probably helped create this environment. But it is hard to imagine anything really uniting us anymore.

Tend to think most people see this and understand it, but lack any ability to be introspective as to the bad actors on their side. 

[mtutiger]

45 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Man, I can't tell whether we are talking about Coliorado or Utah now.  The Colorado shooter was a radicalized white supremacist.  What's the current story on Tyler Robinson? 

He appears to be a nihilist with possible groyper tendencies 

[mtutiger]

7 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Tend to think most people see this and understand it, but lack any ability to be introspective as to the bad actors on their side. 

I would add, this starts with the President of the United States. Who by his own admission has no interest in uniting Americans

 

[oblong]

11 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I watched a clip of Vin Scully's comments after 9/11 on the first Dodger game last night... we weren't perfect and certainly what we did afterward (ie Iraq) probably helped create this environment. But it is hard to imagine anything really uniting us anymore.

Tend to think most people see this and understand it, but lack any ability to be introspective as to the bad actors on their side. 

January 6 and the ensuing impeachment was a missed opportunity.  That could have been it.  Make Pence president for a few weeks. The republicans publicly purge Trump. And then they can fight with Biden as normal. It would have cost them nothing and today we’d probably have a president Haley or whoever.  That was the moment for the GOP to change. It would have worked had they had the courage 

[Tigermojo]

In case anyone cares, I'm happy now because Maga is 100% wrong as usual from the snake oil salesmen pedophile in chief, all his cronies and all the cult members.

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, pfife said:

A republican exploits preferred republican gun policies to murder a firebrand republican talker at a republican political rally in a republican state therefore the left needs to pay for it. 

Don’t underestimate their ability to succeed at hanging this on Teh Left anyway. 

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, 1776 said:

I’d feel comfortable in saying that this country hasn’t been this divided since the Civil War years.
Civility is dying. It’s bad. 


 

The assassination of civility has been very, very profitable. 

[mtutiger]

Just now, chasfh said:

Don’t underestimate their ability to succeed at hanging this on Teh Left anyway. 

I don't see this moving the needle one way or another. 

[chasfh]

19 minutes ago, oblong said:

January 6 and the ensuing impeachment was a missed opportunity.  That could have been it.  Make Pence president for a few weeks. The republicans publicly purge Trump. And then they can fight with Biden as normal. It would have cost them nothing and today we’d probably have a president Haley or whoever.  That was the moment for the GOP to change. It would have worked had they had the courage 

Yes, I agree, and the only problem with what sounds like should have been that perfect plan is that the Republican senators were afraid they’d be hanged, literally, by their own radicalized ride-or-die red hat constituents, probably led by their own states’ Republican congressional delegation. Would that have actually happened? No way to know, but those swing-vote senators were not about to FAFO. 

Edited September 12 by chasfh

[chasfh]

4 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I don't see this moving the needle one way or another. 

It will move sales and donations. That’s what it’s about. 

[mtutiger]

2 minutes ago, chasfh said:

It will move sales and donations. That’s what it’s about. 

If that's what this is really about, they'd be better off with Charlie Kirk alive 

[oblong]

12 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Yes, I agree, and the only problem with what sounds like should have been that perfect plan is that the Republican senators were afraid they’d be hanged, literally, by their own radicalized ride-or-die red hat constituents, probably led by their own states’ Republican congressional delegation. Would that have actually happened? No way to know, but those swing-vote senators were not about to FAFO. 

I really don’t get it. Unless they assumed it wasn’t necessary.  He’d go away. If they knew now?  In 6 months they could have gone back to hating Biden and doing the normak thing. 

[Motown Bombers]

All a handful of Bernie or bust, Jill Stein, and Gary Johnson voters had to do was vote for Hillary. Trump would have been viewed as a loser and republicans would see they wasted their shot at beating a weak candidate. Trump recedes back to his game show. 

[oblong]

25 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

All a handful of Bernie or bust, Jill Stein, and Gary Johnson voters had to do was vote for Hillary. Trump would have been viewed as a loser and republicans would see they wasted their shot at beating a weak candidate. Trump recedes back to his game show. 

That too.  And going further Nader voters in 2000. (And I was  glad at the time they did it)

[HighOPS]

It doesn't change the recent discussion a lot but the second impeachment of Trump was during Biden's presidency. 

So many things that came from assuming Trump would not get elected. Imagine Obama thanking the Senate for their consent without debate and seating Garland. But, I think the calculation was Trump wouldn't win anyway so whatever.

And back in 2000 the Palm Beach ballot misdesign was enough to tip Florida and let the candidate with the second largest plurality win. 

 

 

Edited September 12 by HighOPS

[pfife]

Republicans are responsible for the Republican president.