lordstanley Posted June 29, 2023 Author Share Posted June 29, 2023 https://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ottawa-senators/ottawa-senators-gm-pierre-dorion-we-wont-trade-debrincat-for-pennies-on-dollar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 22 minutes ago, lordstanley said: https://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ottawa-senators/ottawa-senators-gm-pierre-dorion-we-wont-trade-debrincat-for-pennies-on-dollar So read 'So far the best offers are still only pennies' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) Let me preface this by saying I liked both of the picks that Yzerman made. I liked the Danielson pick more than the Pellikka pick, as he has more offensive upside and production. But I still liked picking a smart, creative, puck moving defensemen who can QB the PP as well. Seems like the type of guy that can help add to our goal totals on the assist end and setting up scoring chances, which I very much like. I also recognize that Stevie, Hakan, and everyone in the front office watching hours of film and live games of these guys knows a **** ton more about these prospects then me. But I can't help feel like yet again we missed our opportunity to get our pure goal scorer, someone capable of putting up 30-35+ goals a season, by passing on the likes of Barlow, Benson, and Perrault in what was supposed to be a deep forward draft. So I say all that to ask this. In the next 2-3-4-5 seasons who is the player on this team or in the farm that is capable of scoring 35-40+ goals in a season and getting north of 70+ points in a season? Is it a necessity in today's NHL to have a 35-40+ goal scorer/70+ point guy on your team to advance deep into the playoffs given that Vegas just won the Cup without one on their team? If that player isn't on this team yet or in our farm system yet, where are we getting him then, if we even need too? Edited June 29, 2023 by Mr.TaterSalad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Let me preface this by saying I liked both of the picks that Yzerman made... How many 100 point season/scoring championships did Conner McDavid and Mario Lemieux win when their teams didn't even make the playoffs? You have build the strongest whole team or those guys don't matter anyway. That's going to take the Wings a few more years yet of picking players for their total win added potential across their whole game, and in that time all you can do is hope that one or two of the guys they draft, which could even be a Danielson - end up out pacing their projections and becoming the scorers you need, or they swing a deal for one, or they win like Vegas did without them. The conventional route to getting an offensive star by tanking has been denied the Red Wings despite no lack of their trying, and they don't get traded much, so the Wings are going to have find an alternate model -possibly like Vegas' Edited June 29, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Apparently the Wings are trading for Yamamoto? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Wow they got Yamamoto and Kostin (big dude!) for absolutely nothing (future considerations) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted June 29, 2023 Author Share Posted June 29, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 solid move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Not optimal players but a nice way to utilize your cap space to get assets for nothing. Kostin certainly adds size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted June 29, 2023 Author Share Posted June 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said: Wow they got Yamamoto and Kostin (big dude!) for absolutely nothing (future considerations) Yamamoto is listed as 5’8 153 lbs, Kostin at 6’3 215 lbs. What a contrast, is Yamamoto smallest player in the league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Just now, lordstanley said: Yamamoto is listed as 5’8 153 lbs, Kostin at 6’3 215 lbs. What a contrast, is Yamamoto smallest player in the league? I think he towers over Cole Caufield's listed height of 5'7''! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) On 6/27/2023 at 9:05 PM, 1984Echoes said: This is what I see as the current future of the Red Wings: Age on 10/1/2023: Red Wings Future Simon Edvinsson LD 20 6' 6" 210 Mo Seider RD 22 6' 4" 204 William Wallinder LD 21 6' 4" 192 Shai Buium LD 20 6' 3" 210 Albert Johansson LD 22 6' 0" 165 Sebastian Cossa G 20 6' 6" 212 Ville Husso G 28 6' 3" 200 Dylan Larkin C 27 6' 1" 198 Lucas Raymond LW 21 5' 11" 176 Michael Rasmussen RW 24 6' 6" 212 Marco Kasper C 19 6' 1" 184 Carter Mazur LW 21 6' 0" 170 Elmer Soderblom RW 22 6' 8" 246 Amadeus Lombardi C 20 5' 10" 178 Joe Veleno C 23 6' 1" 203 Dmitri Buchelnikov LW 20 5' 9" 150 Jonaton Berggren RW 23 5' 11" 197 Filip Zadina RW 23 6' 0" 190 Some thoughts: 1) Larkin is on the list due to the contract and he has the speed/ talent to be effective, I believe, for the duration. 2) Husso because I think Goalies have more longevity than forwards/ defenseman. 3) Other than those two... the future of this team is really highly dependent on the 19-24 age group. 4) The guys at the bottom, last two defenseman (Buium & Johansson) and 3rd lineman on the list are iffy. Some will cut it, some will not. No idea who does/ doesn't.... 5) No guarantees that anyone will reach their "potential"; but anyways, that's the top of our current list. 6) We need more top-end talent. Period. And that includes adding some key veterans if we are able to... 7) There are guys who are not on this list... Who are still prospects and could make it to the NHL... But just haven't popped yet. Just my... 2 cents. I'm ready to update this now, and I do feel better about the depth of our prospects after this draft: Age on 10/1/2023: Red Wings Future 1st pair: Simon Edvinsson, LD, 20, 6' 6" 210 - Mo Seider, RD, 22, 6' 4" 204, 2nd pair: William Wallinder, LD, 21, 6' 4" 192 - Axel Sandin-Pellikka, RD, 18, 5' 11" 190 3rd pair options: Shai Buium, LD, 20, 6' 3" 210 - Antti Tuomisto, RD, 22, 6' 5" 205 Albert Johansson, LD, 22, 6' 0" 168 - Andrew Gibson, RD, 18, 6' 3" 190 Donovan Sebrango, LD, 21, 6' 1" 194 - Brady Cleveland, LD, 18, 6' 5" 210 Potential starting goalies: Sebastian Cossa, G, 20, 6' 6" 212 Trey Augustine, G, 18, 6' 0" 190 Ville Husso, G, 28, 6' 3" 200 Lines: Dylan Larkin, LSC, 27, 6' 1" 198 - Lucas Raymond, LW, 21, 5' 11" 176 - Michael Rasmussen, RW, 24, 6' 6" 212 Marco Kasper, LSC, 19, 6' 1" 184 - Carter Mazur, LW, 21, 6' 0" 170 - Jonaton Berggren, RW, 23, 5' 11" 197 Nate Danielson, RSC, 18, 6' 2" 190 - Amadeus Lombardi, LSC/LW, 20, 5' 10" 178 - Elmer Soderblom, RW, 22, 6' 8" 246 Other 3rd line/ 4th line options: Klim Kostin, C, 24, 6' 3" 215 - Dmitri Buchelnikov, LW, 20, 5' 9" 150 - Filip Zadina, RW, 23, 6' 0" 190 (I forgot we just added Kostin... I'll give him a 3rd/4th line possibility and see if he's worth signing after this year as an RFA...) Joe Veleno, C, 23, 6' 1" 203 - Theodor Niederbach, RSC/ LW, 21, 5' 11" 172 - Noah Dower Nilsson, LSC/ RW, 18, 6' 0" 180 Edited June 29, 2023 by 1984Echoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Wings are apparently buying out Yamamoto, kinda surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said: Wings are apparently buying out Yamamoto, kinda surprised. they wanted the other guy cause he has SIZE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, buddha said: they wanted the other guy cause he has SIZE. Yamamoto only had one year left on his contract, I'm not sure why you buy him out unless you are looking to add a ton of salary via trades and free agency this offseason. Taking Yamamoto was necessary to get Kostin for nothing but I am curious why this was needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said: Yamamoto only had one year left on his contract, I'm not sure why you buy him out unless you are looking to add a ton of salary via trades and free agency this offseason. Taking Yamamoto was necessary to get Kostin for nothing but I am curious why this was needed. I guess I'd turn it around. If he's not part of your plans, buying him out is fairer to him and saves you cap. Edited June 30, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted June 30, 2023 Author Share Posted June 30, 2023 This seems weird to me but I’m sure it was all thought through in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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slothfacekilla Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I guess I'd turn it around. If he's not part of your plans, buying him out is fairer to him and saves you cap. It just seems odd to be scraping together ~$3 million in cap space for one season with where the Wings are at with their roster. If they were a contender the freed up space makes a lot of sense. Yamamoto has shown flashes, is only 24 years old, and was RFA after this contract. I'm not sure it would have hurt to see if he clicks with the roster and see if there's something there but just my feeling on it. I'm not upset just surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 minute ago, lordstanley said: It sounds like Kostin is about to sign a two year deal. I've seen that Lindstrom is already looking for work in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Matt Duchene bought out in Nashville. He's probably too old for our timeline at 32. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, slothfacekilla said: Yamamoto only had one year left on his contract, I'm not sure why you buy him out unless you are looking to add a ton of salary via trades and free agency this offseason. Taking Yamamoto was necessary to get Kostin for nothing but I am curious why this was needed. What's the roster limit? The only reason to carry him on the roster is if they can trade him for something. Buying him out probably only saves a few pennies so this isn't about potentially adding a ton of salary. It's all about the roster spot and I guess they don't really want him on the roster and no one was interested in trading anything for him. I'm just guessing but... my 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 35 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said: It just seems odd well for certain we don't get to see all the wheels turning in the Yzerman FO so not everthing necessarily looks like it makes sense. Just looking back at the Vrana situation - there had to stuff going on that they just have kept to themselves. Not implying there is anything wrong with Yamamoto at all, just that whatever the reasons are that they aren't interested, we're not likely to learn them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 38 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said: It just seems odd to be scraping together ~$3 million in cap space for... They don't save $3 mill in cap because they still have to pay him. Maybe not $3 mill but... I don't think they're saving much by buying him out... And he gets to see if he can sign on with another team so... actually some class by the Wings to let him go shopping for another job early... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Buying him out probably only saves a few pennies Since he's young player (<26) they can buy him out at 1/3, so they save about $2M. The cap saving is similar but it gets spread out over more years. Edited June 30, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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