1984Echoes Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 This is what I see as the current future of the Red Wings: Age on 10/1/2023: Red Wings Future Simon Edvinsson LD 20 6' 6" 210 Mo Seider RD 22 6' 4" 204 William Wallinder LD 21 6' 4" 192 Shai Buium LD 20 6' 3" 210 Albert Johansson LD 22 6' 0" 165 Sebastian Cossa G 20 6' 6" 212 Ville Husso G 28 6' 3" 200 Dylan Larkin C 27 6' 1" 198 Lucas Raymond LW 21 5' 11" 176 Michael Rasmussen RW 24 6' 6" 212 Marco Kasper C 19 6' 1" 184 Carter Mazur LW 21 6' 0" 170 Elmer Soderblom RW 22 6' 8" 246 Amadeus Lombardi C 20 5' 10" 178 Joe Veleno C 23 6' 1" 203 Dmitri Buchelnikov LW 20 5' 9" 150 Jonaton Berggren RW 23 5' 11" 197 Filip Zadina RW 23 6' 0" 190 Some thoughts: 1) Larkin is on the list due to the contract and he has the speed/ talent to be effective, I believe, for the duration. 2) Husso because I think Goalies have more longevity than forwards/ defenseman. 3) Other than those two... the future of this team is really highly dependent on the 19-24 age group. 4) The guys at the bottom, last two defenseman (Buium & Johansson) and 3rd lineman on the list are iffy. Some will cut it, some will not. No idea who does/ doesn't.... 5) No guarantees that anyone will reach their "potential"; but anyways, that's the top of our current list. 6) We need more top-end talent. Period. And that includes adding some key veterans if we are able to... 7) There are guys who are not on this list... Who are still prospects and could make it to the NHL... But just haven't popped yet. Just my... 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: This is what I see as the current future of the Red Wings: Age on 10/1/2023: Red Wings Future Simon Edvinsson LD 20 6' 6" 210 Mo Seider RD 22 6' 4" 204 William Wallinder LD 21 6' 4" 192 Shai Buium LD 20 6' 3" 210 Albert Johansson LD 22 6' 0" 165 Sebastian Cossa G 20 6' 6" 212 Ville Husso G 28 6' 3" 200 Dylan Larkin C 27 6' 1" 198 Lucas Raymond LW 21 5' 11" 176 Michael Rasmussen RW 24 6' 6" 212 Marco Kasper C 19 6' 1" 184 Carter Mazur LW 21 6' 0" 170 Elmer Soderblom RW 22 6' 8" 246 Amadeus Lombardi C 20 5' 10" 178 Joe Veleno C 23 6' 1" 203 Dmitri Buchelnikov LW 20 5' 9" 150 Jonaton Berggren RW 23 5' 11" 197 Filip Zadina RW 23 6' 0" 190 Some thoughts: 1) Larkin is on the list due to the contract and he has the speed/ talent to be effective, I believe, for the duration. 2) Husso because I think Goalies have more longevity than forwards/ defenseman. 3) Other than those two... the future of this team is really highly dependent on the 19-24 age group. 4) The guys at the bottom, last two defenseman (Buium & Johansson) and 3rd lineman on the list are iffy. Some will cut it, some will not. No idea who does/ doesn't.... 5) No guarantees that anyone will reach their "potential"; but anyways, that's the top of our current list. 6) We need more top-end talent. Period. And that includes adding some key veterans if we are able to... 7) There are guys who are not on this list... Who are still prospects and could make it to the NHL... But just haven't popped yet. Just my... 2 cents. at least its better than what you think the future of the tigers is. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 32 minutes ago, buddha said: at least its better than what you think the future of the tigers is. 🙂 Maybe... Maybe not... We'll see... 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Sounds like a bidding war to me. "Detroit has been seen as the logical landing spot for Alex DeBrincat by some — and Detroit was on his list of teams — but my sense of the situation Tuesday was the Red Wings didn’t feel they were that close on a deal with Ottawa. I know DeBrincat had Dallas as one of his preferred destinations, as well, and the Stars have had conversations with Ottawa about DeBrincat. But given the Stars’ cap situation, they would need to move money out somehow. It’s not likely the Stars can do it. They’re also still talking to pending UFA Max Domi. As I reported last week, Sens GM Pierre Dorion is fine with a 2024 first-round pick, so he never viewed this week as the deadline for a DeBrincat trade. There’s still time. But again keep in mind that whatever team wants to trade for DeBrincat, an accomplished goal scorer who’s only 25 years old, he’s going to cost $8.5 million to $9 million a year on an extension. Again, cap space is a problem right now almost everywhere. That’s partly why this trade hasn’t been that easy to pull off so far." ****** that's not a bidding war. that's "there have been no bids that include a first round pick." Edited June 28, 2023 by buddha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 10 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: Maybe... Maybe not... We'll see... 😉 btw, i really doubt all those guys make the wings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 I would add Antii Tuomisto to the list...RHD with size...grew into his frame playing in Europe this season. A RHD candidate with for the 3rd pairing in 2024/25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 41 minutes ago, buddha said: btw, i really doubt all those guys make the wings. That's why I put a lot of caveats on that list. And really, looking at the top 2 lines... those aren't All-NHL lines... unless there's a whole lot of development or we have a hidden gem or two... that team looks really average/ bottom-type seedings in the playoffs level. IMO. Although maybe a depth build-up pushes us a notch or two higher, if that happens...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, Shinzaki said: I would add Antii Tuomisto to the list...RHD with size...grew into his frame playing in Europe this season. A RHD candidate with for the 3rd pairing in 2024/25 I like Tuomisto... But I think he had fallen off the radar quite a bit, even though I believe he's played a lot better this year back in Finland's Liiga. So I opted to include him in the general point #7 as a guy who could pop but we haven't seen enough of that yet. I think he will pop and get back onto a Wings Top 10 Prospects list... but he'll need to do it in North America when he's back here again, I think, to grab that type of spot... Just my 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 your top two picks this year should be a bedrock, hopefully. from my uneducated eye, i am excited about wallinder, lombardi, and mazur. lombardi is on a path to be a real steal, imo. cossa is concerning because he's a goalie and goalie's are weird. i wouldnt be stunned if they take one in round 2 if they keep all 3 picks. buchelnikov is an unknown. veleno is just a 4th line utility guy. zadina is trade bait (hopefully) based on his draft position. buium seems to have stalled. i also like sebrango as an ollie maata type player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) I believe Tuomisto set to play in GR this year...Wings seem to be high on him after his season in Europe. Edited June 28, 2023 by Shinzaki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, buddha said: veleno is just a 4th line utility guy. zadina is trade bait Hopefully they both are and some misguided GM is willing to give up something better than bag of practice pucks for one of them. Edited June 28, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted June 28, 2023 Author Share Posted June 28, 2023 13 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: This is what I see as the current future of the Red Wings: Age on 10/1/2023: Red Wings Future Simon Edvinsson LD 20 6' 6" 210 Mo Seider RD 22 6' 4" 204 William Wallinder LD 21 6' 4" 192 Shai Buium LD 20 6' 3" 210 Albert Johansson LD 22 6' 0" 165 Sebastian Cossa G 20 6' 6" 212 Ville Husso G 28 6' 3" 200 Dylan Larkin C 27 6' 1" 198 Lucas Raymond LW 21 5' 11" 176 Michael Rasmussen RW 24 6' 6" 212 Marco Kasper C 19 6' 1" 184 Carter Mazur LW 21 6' 0" 170 Elmer Soderblom RW 22 6' 8" 246 Amadeus Lombardi C 20 5' 10" 178 Joe Veleno C 23 6' 1" 203 Dmitri Buchelnikov LW 20 5' 9" 150 Jonaton Berggren RW 23 5' 11" 197 Filip Zadina RW 23 6' 0" 190 Some thoughts: 1) Larkin is on the list due to the contract and he has the speed/ talent to be effective, I believe, for the duration. 2) Husso because I think Goalies have more longevity than forwards/ defenseman. 3) Other than those two... the future of this team is really highly dependent on the 19-24 age group. 4) The guys at the bottom, last two defenseman (Buium & Johansson) and 3rd lineman on the list are iffy. Some will cut it, some will not. No idea who does/ doesn't.... 5) No guarantees that anyone will reach their "potential"; but anyways, that's the top of our current list. 6) We need more top-end talent. Period. And that includes adding some key veterans if we are able to... 7) There are guys who are not on this list... Who are still prospects and could make it to the NHL... But just haven't popped yet. Just my... 2 cents. Really not much better than the Wings' organization in 2013 that prior to that year's draft had: Howard 28 Helm 26 Abdelkader 25 Nyquist 23 B.Smith 23 Glendenning 23 Tatar 22 Dekeyser 22 Pulkinnen 21 Marchenko 21 Sheahan 21 Jurco 20 Mrazek 20 Athanasiou 19 XOuellet 19 Draft night they added: Mantha 18 T Bertuzzi 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted June 28, 2023 Author Share Posted June 28, 2023 13 hours ago, buddha said: at least its better than what you think the future of the tigers is. 🙂 I felt better about the Tigers during the offseason heading into 2022 than I do right now about the Red Wings. Of course a lot could happen this summer. But with few moves or the wrong moves, the Wings could have a season like the 2022 Tigers and threaten to be a bottom 5 team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 1 minute ago, lordstanley said: I felt better about the Tigers during the offseason heading into 2022 than I do right now about the Red Wings. Of course a lot could happen this summer. But with few moves or the wrong moves, the Wings could have a season like the 2022 Tigers and threaten to be a bottom 5 team. and goal tending is a huge quesiton mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 16 hours ago, buddha said: i'm not sure any of those trades - as well as the toffoli trade that just happened - impact the debrincat situation at all. #17 and a zadina type should still be more than enough. the kings are loaded with talent. they can afford to give up those guys to get pld. and winnipeg wants good players who can contribute now, the wings cant afford (and dont have) to give up those types of players and LA can because they are deeper and better. that's the type of move the wings can make in two years when/if their young players start to develop, which is WHY YOU DONT SELL THE FARM FOR DEBRINCAT WHEN HE ONLY MAKES YOU A BORDERLINE 8TH SEED. patience. this was the worst organization in hockey just three years ago. it takes time to dig out of ken holland's terrible drafts. This is right about the Kings and PLD. The depth of talent allows them to take a shot. They now have possibly the best Center depth in the league with Kopitar, PLD, and Danault. Add in Fiala, Kempe, and Arvidsson and that’s a strong top 6. Quentin Byfield is still just 20 and only starting to scratch the surface of what his talent could become. One thing about PLD. If you knowingly put a young star on a team coached by a John Torterella and it doesn’t go right, that’s on the team and the front office and not the player. Torts is the absolute worst with young players and honestly shouldn’t be coaching anymore. It’s sort of like when the game passed by Mike Keenan and his style no longer resonated with the next generation of player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, lordstanley said: Really not much better than the Wings' organization in 2013 that prior to that year's draft had: Howard 28 Helm 26 Abdelkader 25 Nyquist 23 B.Smith 23 Glendenning 23 Tatar 22 Dekeyser 22 Pulkinnen 21 Marchenko 21 Sheahan 21 Jurco 20 Mrazek 20 Athanasiou 19 XOuellet 19 Draft night they added: Mantha 18 T Bertuzzi 18 i'm not sure you can say today's minors arent better because we haven't seen them fully develop yet. 🙂 but i do remember the wings having a "highly ranked" farm system at least coming into the mid 2010s. then the bottom fell out with some surprising draft decisions (ras, cholowski over chychrun, svechnikov) that seemed to make draft analysts pause. if you take an honest look at last year, they werent a good team and chairot really hurt them by making seider worse. that said, if they have bertuzzi for the whole season and if vrana wasnt kicked off the team, they are likely fighting florida for the 8th spot down to the wire. but that's the ceiling. trading both of them (and hronek) was an admission by yzerman that it wasnt good enough and that its time to rebuild around seider/raymond with larkin as the long term captain/vet to hold it together. coming up with enough depth to "roll four lines" like seattle or carolina is a good goal, but even seattle (beniers) and carolina (the good svechnikov) had high lottery picks we havent had. these two first rounders are key. they HAVE to hit. and getting something out of the three second rounders needs to happen too. but im a sucker, i still think mazur is brayden point 2.0. 🙂 Edited June 28, 2023 by buddha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 I think our farm system is much stronger now than then just with the sheer talent comparison. The only prospects I am comfortably projecting to play a decent amount of time in Detroit are: Edvinsson Kasper Mazur Soderblom Otherwise I think it is a huge crapshoot. I am interested to see how Wallinder does in the AHL next season and Lombardi is a wild card. It is going to be an interesting couple of seasons of development for some of these guys making it to the AHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 wings open in jersey. oct 12. their schedule release was very cute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Ross Colton to the Avs for a 2nd round pick. Colton was a name I had my eye on as a potential acquisition to be a 2nd/3rd line goal scorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 seeing guys like durzi and colton go for next to nothing makes you wonder if the wings have something cooking with those second rounders or if they plan on stocking up on prospects? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted June 28, 2023 Author Share Posted June 28, 2023 40 minutes ago, buddha said: seeing guys like durzi and colton go for next to nothing makes you wonder if the wings have something cooking with those second rounders or if they plan on stocking up on prospects? Buy buy buy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Ugh Dorian just said they haven't gotten to the point where they've given any teams permission to speak to DeBrincat about a contract, SOMETHING HAPPEN PLEASE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 I would say Cossa is a guy who will be in the NHL...By all accounts he improved quite a bit as the season wore on. ONE UFA I wouldn't mind signing is our old pal Oskar Sundqvist. Good size, RH perfect checking line C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Shinzaki said: ONE UFA I wouldn't mind signing is our old pal Oskar Sundqvist. Good size, RH perfect checking line C yea - the Rasmussen, Sundqvist, Soderblom line was certainly fun while it lasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said: Ugh Dorian just said they haven't gotten to the point where they've given any teams permission to speak to DeBrincat about a contract, SOMETHING HAPPEN PLEASE! I'm being impatient as all get out. I've got my mind connected to the idea that the longer this drags out the less likely it is going to be that it we are the team that gets him. The longer it goes on the higher that asking price that Stevie won't want to pay. AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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