Toddwert Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Similar to the O's, Texas wouldn't be where they are right now without homegrown talent. Fwiw Agree… just pointing out the money part Edited July 23, 2023 by Toddwert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, SeattleMike said: Years away? That’s probably too negative. No one saw Baltimore’s 2022 resurgence. No one saw Texas’s this year. Two or three moves go the Tigers way and a couple of developmental successes and they could be competing in a year or two. Pitching is still a large potential problem. If we assume Mize and Turnbull replace ERod and Lorenzen next season, a) will either of them pitch well? b) can the starting staff stay healthy? You have Faedo and Wentz but it's not clear either of them can hold down an MLB starting gig if pitchers start going down next season and beyond those two it's just off a cliff. Flores and Madden have been underwhelming, Jobe is too far away. So you'd think they have to bring in at least one FA starting pitcher - can they find one as good as either of the two leaving? And another decent reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Rangers BP is so bad they would keep Mason in majors if Tigers returned him to Texas. The FB just isn’t there so unless they find an “injury” I think no loss in losing him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleMike Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: Pitching is still a large potential problem. If we assume Mize and Turnbull replace ERod and Lorenzen next season, a) will either of them pitch well? b) can the starting staff stay healthy? You have Faedo and Wentz but it's not clear either of them can hold down an MLB starting gig if pitchers start going down next season and beyond those two it's just off a cliff. Flores and Madden have been underwhelming, Jobe is too far away. So you'd think they have to bring in at least one FA starting pitcher - can they find one as good as either of the two leaving? And another decent reliever. Maybe Jobe is the answer in a year or two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, kdog said: There's a difference between AL Central good and actual good. Correct. But nonetheless, the Tigers ticket into the playoffs is through their division. When statements are made about how far the team is out from the playoffs, the division they play in seems like an important consideration. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: Rangers BP is so bad they would keep Mason in majors if Tigers returned him to Texas. The FB just isn’t there so unless they find an “injury” I think no loss in losing him He's shown much better stuff than this, somethings up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: Rangers BP is so bad they would keep Mason in majors if Tigers returned him to Texas. The FB just isn’t there so unless they find an “injury” I think no loss in losing him If he were throwing strikes when he wanted to with the breaking stuff he'd have a shot - that's been the difference between the good and bad outings. When guys can just wait for the FB you get --- today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Pitching is still a large potential problem. If we assume Mize and Turnbull replace ERod and Lorenzen next season, a) will either of them pitch well? b) can the starting staff stay healthy? You have Faedo and Wentz but it's not clear either of them can hold down an MLB starting gig if pitchers start going down next season and beyond those two it's just off a cliff. Flores and Madden have been underwhelming, Jobe is too far away. So you'd think they have to bring in at least one FA starting pitcher - can they find one as good as either of the two leaving? And another decent reliever. I would expect them to bring in Boyd and Lorenzen types again this offseason… with the magic that Fetters and crew seem to have why not 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, SeattleMike said: Maybe Jobe is the answer in a year or two? and Turnbull is probably gone at the end of next season - hard to predict if that will be a big loss or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Longgone said: He's shown much better stuff than this, somethings up. Could just be wearing out how many innings has he pitched before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Pitching is still a large potential problem. If we assume Mize and Turnbull replace ERod and Lorenzen next season, Free agency and trade returns in exchange for their services are the wildcard. With trades, we always assume it's for hitters, but who knows... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Toddwert said: I would expect them to bring in Boyd and Lorenzen types again this offseason… with the magic that Fetters and crew seem to have why not that's the hope, but that's not a particulary reliable strategy - not that any is when it comes to pitching. They brough in Boyd, he went down to injury, they signed ERod and prompty lost him for most of his 1st season. It's still nice to have a pipeline of MiLB guys and ours isn't much to write home about currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 10 run mercy rule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZTigersfan Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Imagine having hitters who can actually crush pitches down the middle instead of just fouling them off. That would be cool! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Nice illustration that the ballpark hasn't been the reason the Tigers can't score runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klondike Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: Nice illustration that the ballpark hasn't been the reason the Tigers can't score runs. difference is the Tiger's need 3 hits to score one run while other teams need just a couple of knocks to score a bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klondike Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 ,,,also look at the size of the opposing teams compared to ours. I'm not talking about Miggy. Tork is the only big guy. these other teams look imposing as hell compared to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZTigersfan Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Hinch really pinch hit Haase for Miggy? Wow this was just a game where he had no answers and all his decisions imploded. It happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klondike Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Hinch is always looking out for the well being of the players. Miggy was probably getting tired. it's getting past 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Klondike said: ,,,also look at the size of the opposing teams compared to ours. I'm not talking about Miggy. Tork is the only big guy. these other teams look imposing as hell compared to us. Parker Meadows is 6' 5" Just sayin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klondike Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: Parker Meadows is 6' 5" Just sayin' He was a 25+ hr guy before becoming a member of the Tigers. what happened to Parker's power is a mystery. Another curse perhaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, Toddwert said: Could just be wearing out how many innings has he pitched before Supposedly he was a starter before we got him. >-------checks BR---------> He threw 120 last season - he was at 53 before tonight. So not innings per se - but sure - he could still be having trouble with how to prepare/condition for volume relieving vs starting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Klondike said: He was a 25+ hr guy before becoming a member of the Tigers. what happened to Parker's power is a mystery. Another curse perhaps That’s Austin ….Parker was drafted by the Tigers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: I don't Englert threw a breaking ball for called strike. Everything was too low and the Padre hitters just waited in the BP fastball. Check that - as per statcast almost all the hits were given up on his slider. guess he should have thrown the FB more even if they didn't feel it was very good tonight. Edited July 23, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 20 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Nice illustration that the ballpark hasn't been the reason the Tigers can't score runs. Don’t tell Lynn Henning 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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