Tigerbomb13 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Phew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 WHAT A ****ING PLAY !!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 ANDY, BABY ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Christian Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Ye haw! A win is a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Lange really tried to blow it but the WSox are SO bad.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Sweep! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Hey, White Sox, Hey, Tim Anderson...............trash talk THAT, you Southside Schnooks. Enjoy 4th place because you ain't leaving ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtrain72 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 If Lange is the closer next season that will be some serious derp. He needs to just be a 7th/8th inning setup guy at the point...wayyy too sketchy to be a closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Jim Cowan said: Baddoo has been on base 6 times in 7 PAs on the weekend...and gets pulled for a pinch hitter. I remember a game when Ibanez had 2 home runs and was lifted for a PH. Doesn't make a lot of sense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sports_Freak Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: Hey, White Sox, Hey, Tim Anderson...............trash talk THAT, you Southside Schnooks. Enjoy 4th place because you ain't leaving ! Was he talking trash? (Again?). The guy is going to be a FA but his immaturity will cost him millions of dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Was he talking trash? (Again?). The guy is going to be a FA but his immaturity will cost him millions of dollars. I don't know. I didn't watch the game, but I bet if I look at the replay on his double in the first inning he was probably yapping. Dude ties his shoes right and he runs his mouth. My 2nd most-hated player in the Majors right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 46 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: what frosts me about it is that is a fundamental misuse of statistics and statistical theory. When a guy goes 7/8, he is not the guy your season stats say he is, he is a guy who is seeing the ball unusually well and you are perfectly justified in riding his hot hand. The idea that every player always represents the same sample population is a total fallacy. They are on average, but only on average. In any specific instance, a human being may be passing through any of various states of being/emotion/health/*performance*. The problem is that these states end as quickly as they begin. A player on a hot streak will only continue to hit until he is no longer hot and that can happen in his next at bat. Tango, et al showed in The Book that being on a hot or cold streak has little predictive value. Players have a strong propensity to hit at their norms regardless of their recent past. Now, if the manager actually sees a real change and thinks it can continue, I guess he can roll with the hot streak. In general though, a hot streak is not indicative of a changed man. I didn't watch the game today, but I assume he was removed for a lefty? How many of his previous 7 hits were against lefties? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adullin Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 That double play flip was amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Was at the game today, that Tork bomb was absolutely majestic... what a tank! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: what frosts me about it is that is a fundamental misuse of statistics and statistical theory. When a guy goes 7/8, he is not the guy your season stats say he is, he is a guy who is seeing the ball unusually well and you are perfectly justified in riding his hot hand. The idea that every player always represents the same sample population is a total fallacy. They are on average, but only on average. In any specific instance, a human being may be passing through any of various states of being/emotion/health/*performance*. Agree. Similar to a coin flip. Over time the analytics play out but at that one moment go with the guy whose hot !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: The problem is that these states end as quickly as they begin. A player on a hot streak will only continue to hit until he is no longer hot and that can happen in his next at bat. Tango, et al showed in The Book that being on a hot or cold streak has little predictive value. Players have a strong propensity to hit at their norms regardless of their recent past. Now, if the manager actually sees a real change and thinks it can continue, I guess he can roll with the hot streak. In general though, a hot streak is not indicative of a changed man. I didn't watch the game today, but I assume he was removed for a lefty? How many of his previous 7 hits were against lefties? I think it depends on what you define as a 'streak'. I look at it primarily on a daily basis. There are days when a hitter isn't missing anything or a pitcher has pin point control and that often tends to hold through the individual game. Once the sun comes up again, I would agree. The day is the basic boundary for highs and lows. You can also apply a little observation. A guy that is 2/4 and has barreled up all four is not the same situation as the guy who is 4/4 on one hard hit and 3 seeing eye grounders. So if the research doesn't dive in to the story behind the gross results, I'm not sure if it's as determinative as I would want. You would have to separate BaBIP luck out. My basic beef is with managers who are paying attention to the game they see in front of them when it doesn't agree with their preconceived notions of probability. Plus from the other side, any hitter will tell you he is not the same guy everyday (except for maybe Cabrera at his peak). Edited September 3, 2023 by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I think it depends on what you define as a 'streak'. I look at it primarily on a daily basis. There are days when a hitter isn't missing anything or a pitcher has pin point control and that often tends to hold through the individual game. Once the sun comes up again, I would agree. The day is the basic boundary for highs and lows. You can also apply a little observation. A guy that is 2/4 and has barreled up all four is not the same situation as the guy who is 4/4 on one hard hit and 3 seeing eye grounders. So if the research doesn't dive in to the story behind the gross results, I'm not sure if it's as determinative as I would want. You would have to separate BaBIP luck out. My basic beef is with managers who are paying attention to the game they see in front of them when it doesn't agree with their preconceived notions of probability. Plus from the other side, any hitter will tell you he is not the same guy everyday (except for maybe Cabrera at his peak). If it's the same pitcher, then yes it makes a difference. I am assuning Baddoo was removed because they brought in a lefty. Edited September 3, 2023 by Tiger337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: what frosts me about it is that is a fundamental misuse of statistics and statistical theory. When a guy goes 7/8, he is not the guy your season stats say he is, he is a guy who is seeing the ball unusually well and you are perfectly justified in riding his hot hand. The idea that every player always represents the same sample population is a total fallacy. They are on average, but only on average. In any specific instance, a human being may be passing through any of various states of being/emotion/health/*performance*. Per "The Book," small sample hot streaks for hitters tend to be not-very-predictive because a lot of times it comes in multiple plate appearances against the same pitcher. Thus, the hot streak could be a result of a pitcher being a particularly good match-up, poor quality, etc. Were any of those 8 PA's against a LHP? A batter versus a RHP is not the same batter as one against the LHP, particularly a left-handed batter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: Was at the game today, that Tork bomb was absolutely majestic... what a tank! 109.9 MPH exit velocity...he crushed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 LOL. White Sox. That was great. What a great weekend. We didn't even have our best player, either. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 1 hour ago, SoCalTiger said: Agree. Similar to a coin flip. Over time the analytics play out but at that one moment go with the guy whose hot !!! But a coin flip is 50/50 regardless of what the previous flips were. 25 straight heads does not mean the 26th flip is more or less likely to be heads. It’s 50/50. There’s no such thing as a streak in coin flips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 29 minutes ago, oblong said: But a coin flip is 50/50 regardless of what the previous flips were. 25 straight heads does not mean the 26th flip is more or less likely to be heads. It’s 50/50. There’s no such thing as a streak in coin flips. Assuming a fair coin. Bayseians may claim 25 in a row suggests there may be a bias in the coin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 39 minutes ago, Edman85 said: Assuming a fair coin. Bayseians may claim 25 in a row suggests there may be a bias in the coin. I don't care about no Bayesians. This is the USA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Shinzaki said: 109.9 MPH exit velocity...he crushed it It was a no-doubter the second he made contact....that noise!! A Tork Bomb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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