Sports_Freak Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 41 minutes ago, Hongbit said: A great color guy should pick their spots to say something insightful and not be afraid to stay quiet if the situation warrants it. Jim Price did this really well. While Dan Petry and CMO are some of the worst offenders. It's like they have their back turned and not even watching the game. Endless talk of 40 and 20 years ago gets real old, real quick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 hours ago, Tigerbomb13 said: McKinstry taketh away much more than he giveth Him busting it down the line prevented a Texas DP in the 8th. It ended up leading us to the winning rally. I have no problem with him, it's Canha that has destroyed multiple rallies so far this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Him busting it down the line prevented a Texas DP in the 8th. It ended up leading us to the winning rally. I have no problem with him, it's Canha that has destroyed multiple rallies so far this season. Canha has been one of their best offensive players so far. McKinstry has contributed nothing. Not hitting into a double play? Is the bar that low now? Edited April 16 by Tiger337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 and we got a non-self-destructing inning from Lange as a bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 38 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Canha has been one of their best offensive players so far. McKinstry has contributed nothing. Not hitting into a double play? Is the bar that low now? Canha hitting into double plays with players in scoring position has directly cost us 2 victories. In another, he only didn't hit into one because of a misplay by an infielder. I guess Canha is usable, but not as a #2 hitter. He doesn't have very good plate discipline either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 I think Canha is one of their best hitters. Grounding into double plays does not make someone a bad hitter. Cabrera used to hit into a bunch of double plays every year. Canha's weakness is that he contributes nothing defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 7 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I think Canha is one of their best hitters. Grounding into double plays does not make someone a bad hitter. Cabrera used to hit into a bunch of double plays every year. Canha's weakness is that he contributes nothing defensively. When Canha wins a triple crown, I'll get off his case. I'm just not impressed with the guy at all, I think he's a phony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 12 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: When Canha wins a triple crown, I'll get off his case. I'm just not impressed with the guy at all, I think he's a phony. Sure, Cabrera was an elite hitter for most of his career and Canha is just average, but it has nothing to do with double plays. If one of Canha's double play balls went a couple feet to the right or left, then he would be clutch! Also, Canha is a better player now than Cabrera was the last 7 years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: I think Canha is one of their best hitters. Grounding into double plays does not make someone a bad hitter. Cabrera used to hit into a bunch of double plays every year. Canha's weakness is that he contributes nothing defensively. I pulled up the all-time leaders in GIDP last night and the list was astoundingly amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said: Canha hitting into double plays with players in scoring position has directly cost us 2 victories. In another, he only didn't hit into one because of a misplay by an infielder. I guess Canha is usable, but not as a #2 hitter. He doesn't have very good plate discipline either. Each team gets 27 outs in a game. Laying all the blame on Canha is quite a stretch. He has the best plate discipline on the team. Cherry picking a couple instances doesn't seem fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 45 minutes ago, Edman85 said: I pulled up the all-time leaders in GIDP last night and the list was astoundingly amazing. It's not even up to the player. Bat behind any great OBP player(s) and you are going to rack up GiDP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 3 hours ago, Tiger337 said: Canha has been one of their best offensive players so far. McKinstry has contributed nothing. Not hitting into a double play? Is the bar that low now? McStinkey did hit into a double play but Simien bobbled the transfer otherwise its two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 1 hour ago, Tigermojo said: Each team gets 27 outs in a game. Laying all the blame on Canha is quite a stretch. He has the best plate discipline on the team. Cherry picking a couple instances doesn't seem fair. He doesn't belong in the 2 hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) Oops...mis-post Edited April 17 by Sports_Freak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 4 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: Canha hitting into double plays with players in scoring position has directly cost us ... The solution is simple: Lead him off instead. I'm guessing Hinch is NOT doing that because he's slow on the base paths? Sometimes that's just gotta be ignored and putting a hitter where he best performs (Canha leading off, Greene batting 2nd) has to take precedence. Just my 2 cents... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 17 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: The solution is simple: Lead him off instead. I'm guessing Hinch is NOT doing that because he's slow on the base paths? Sometimes that's just gotta be ignored and putting a hitter where he best performs (Canha leading off, Greene batting 2nd) has to take precedence. Just my 2 cents... For all the constant talk about it with Hinch for three years, the Tigers are not anything you would describe as a running team. As long as a guy can go 1st to 3rd he can hit anywhere in the Tigers lineup and his speed isn't going to matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 We won? I love this team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 The Tigers have 99 problems.... and Mark Canha ain't one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 14 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: Him busting it down the line prevented a Texas DP in the 8th. It ended up leading us to the winning rally. I have no problem with him, it's Canha that has destroyed multiple rallies so far this season. Numerical proof, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 8 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: The solution is simple: Lead him off instead. I'm guessing Hinch is NOT doing that because he's slow on the base paths? Sometimes that's just gotta be ignored and putting a hitter where he best performs (Canha leading off, Greene batting 2nd) has to take precedence. Just my 2 cents... I think that might be the thing to do right now. Add Carpenter in at 3rd, and then just figure it out from there. I guess Torkelson 4th because he did kick into last year and hopefully he finds that groove again. 5th through 9th, go ahead and play the matchups or least cold bats or however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 16 hours ago, chasfh said: What the ****, Javy Baez! Carlos Peña: "Call the doctor, because that was SICK!" That was a thing of beauty. And then he followed that up with a walk after falling down into an 0-2 count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 2 hours ago, casimir said: Numerical proof, please. Stats...no, he hit into a DP 4 games in a row, 2 in his last game. Minnesota misplayed his GB DP into a 2 run double that scored the trying run. The one that got me mad was the extra inning game, Tie game, 2 men on and nobody out. A 2-0 count, he had the pitcher on the ropes. He tried to pull a sinker, rolled it over and hit into one of his DPs. Horrible piece of hitting. And an extremely bad approach by your team's #2 hitter. They say they brought him in so the young hitters can learn by his approach. No wonder the team is struggling offensively. Yesterday, he had the day off? We won... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 I think it's probably more like we simply don't have good hitters, than we do have really really good hitters learning bad habits from the new guy. FWIW, Mark Canha has a grand total of three GIDPs, and he is the best qualified hitter on the team by wOBA (.366) and wRC+ (141). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) 7 minutes ago, chasfh said: I think it's probably more like we simply don't have good hitters, than we do have really really good hitters learning bad habits from the new guy. Exactly. Mark Canha is performing about one would expect from him based on his career thus far (small sample size), the issue is that there are a lot of other guys on this club that aren't meeting expectations at the moment. Canha has also been a pretty big factor in some of their wins as well... they don't win on Opening Day at Comerica without Mark Canha's homer for instance. Edited April 17 by mtutiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 44 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Stats...no, he hit into a DP 4 games in a row, 2 in his last game. Minnesota misplayed his GB DP into a 2 run double that scored the trying run. The one that got me mad was the extra inning game, Tie game, 2 men on and nobody out. A 2-0 count, he had the pitcher on the ropes. He tried to pull a sinker, rolled it over and hit into one of his DPs. Horrible piece of hitting. And an extremely bad approach by your team's #2 hitter. They say they brought him in so the young hitters can learn by his approach. No wonder the team is struggling offensively. Yesterday, he had the day off? We won... That's interesting. When I look at % of base runners to score on a batter's plate appearance, I see that Canha has scored 13.2% of his inherited base runners. Its below the league average of 14.4%, but better than the Tigers' 11.9% as a whole. https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/DET/2024-batting.shtml But we can go with your 4 game sample if you prefer to pick nits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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