Tigeraholic1 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Comerica Park - Detroit, MI Game Time Forecast: 78 Sunny Listen: 97.1 The Ticket Watch: Bally Sports Detroit Starters: RHP Kevin Gausman RHP Jack Flaherty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Which Tiger team will show up? The one that can go in and win a series in AZ or the one that can't avoid being swept in KC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 9 minutes ago, romad1 said: Which Tiger team will show up? The one that can go in and win a series in AZ or the one that can't avoid being swept in KC? Neither. The Mud Hens and Tigers are going to swap out for the series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 2 hours ago, romad1 said: Which Tiger team will show up? The one that can go in and win a series in AZ or the one that can't avoid being swept in KC? Over the course of this series, both teams will show up. They'll score 8 runs and get shutout the next day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Jace Jung might end up coming up sooner than later, although he'll likely hit a ceiling at the plate once he were to get here, and he has a stone for a glove at third in Toledo right now. So who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 26 minutes ago, chasfh said: Jace Jung might end up coming up sooner than later, although he'll likely hit a ceiling at the plate once he were to get here, and he has a stone for a glove at third in Toledo right now. So who knows. If we are going to be mediocre, we might as well get a look at what these kids will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 4 minutes ago, romad1 said: If we are going to be mediocre, we might as well get a look at what these kids will be. that was the plan for 2024 all along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Except we don't want as Spork situation where Jace Jung comes up well before his time and he fails hard and it's hard on his psyche. I'm pretty sure this front office won't do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger2022 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 I am guessing a 1-0 game until Hinch uses his brilliant bullpen management skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) 35 minutes ago, chasfh said: Except we don't want as Spork situation where Jace Jung comes up well before his time and he fails hard and it's hard on his psyche. I'm pretty sure this front office won't do that. I don't know that being brought up quickly hurt Torkelson's psyche. Maybe he is just not that good or maybe he is too stubborn. I also have no idea whether the current front office has a better handle on how players will react to failure. They seem to be more scientific, but I don't know if they have expertise in how individuals will react to adversity. That's a difficult thing to gauge. Edited May 23 by Tiger337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAbbott Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 I am cheering for 4 runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 I think the argument could be made that we bring up all of our position players too quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAbbott Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 1 minute ago, Tiger337 said: I don't know that being brought up quickly hurt Torkelson's psyche. Maybe he is just not that good or maybe he is too stubborn. I also have no idea whether the current front office has a better handle on how players will react to failure. They seem to be more scientific, but I don't know if they have expertise in how individuals will react to diversity. That's a difficult thing to gauge. With Tork, people saw how his ASU years seemed better than Barry Bonds in their eyes and had unrealistic expectations. Right now, I would guess he is gone in 2 years at the most. He is what we are seeing right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 4 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I don't know that being brought up quickly hurt Torkelson's psyche. Maybe he is just not that good or maybe he is too stubborn. Or maybe it did hurt his psyche. I don't know that, either, though. None of us know. If I had to say what's the most likely—his psyche was hurt, or he's just not so good, or he's just too stubborn, or some combination of the three—I couldn't even begin to hazard a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 4 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said: I think the argument could be made that we bring up all of our position players too quickly. I wonder what the level of disconnect between our minor league coaching and major league coaching is, versus that of the other 29 teams. Another thing I wonder but couldn't begin to hazard a guess about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 With Tork you have to figure out if he is fixable now. You can take the lessons learned from his struggles and apply them to the next phase of prospects. When I say fixable, the minimum production given his defensive limitations is a high .700s OPS with at least 30 homers a year. If that isn't possible, then you have to find other options. You can't wait around on a hope and a prayer. The passage of time is not a development plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 3 minutes ago, HeyAbbott said: With Tork, people saw how his ASU years seemed better than Barry Bonds in their eyes and had unrealistic expectations. Right now, I would guess he is gone in 2 years at the most. He is what we are seeing right now. He may be one of those guys who needs a change in scenery, coaching, approach. Satisfying though it may be to some, that he doesn't flourish here under our coaching system is not by necessity an indictment of our coaching system. Sometimes certain people don't mesh with certain systems, while certain other people do. Analytical as things may be now, player development is not a science, at least not yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 5 minutes ago, chasfh said: I wonder what the level of disconnect between our minor league coaching and major league coaching is, versus that of the other 29 teams. Another thing I wonder but couldn't begin to hazard a guess about. there is an arguement that because of the re-org of minors a few years ago (less 4A guys) the gap between AAA and Majors is now larger then ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Just now, chasfh said: I wonder what the level of disconnect between our minor league coaching and major league coaching is, versus that of the other 29 teams. Another thing I wonder but couldn't begin to hazard a guess about. Thats a bloody good question. I also wonder if there is such a thing as too much coaching. There isn't much time to think when you're at the plate. Good to have book on the pitchers but the rest seems pretty straightforward ( said the guy that never played the game). G2 has been expressing concerns for some time about the negative effect of "controlling the strike zone" and it does seem that hitters might be over thinking. I think knowing the strike zone is just a skill some players have and some just don't and I don't think it's teachable. I mean do we want Tork and Carpenter focusing on walking ? I want them and all power hitters to eat. Baez has gotten worse every yer under HInch. Parades turned into a HUGH power hitter AFTER HINCH. .512 slugging with a .907 OPS.. HINCH didn't even play him. How can a manager not see that ? He' the best third baseman in the game and third is our weakest position. S*** like that make me wonder and worry about our manager. Tampa Bay Rays Batting Stats 2024 More MLB TeamsArizona DiamondbacksAtlanta BravesBaltimore OriolesBoston Red SoxChicago CubsChicago White SoxCincinnati RedsCleveland GuardiansColorado RockiesDetroit TigersHouston AstrosKansas City RoyalsLos Angeles AngelsLos Angeles DodgersMiami MarlinsMilwaukee BrewersMinnesota TwinsNew York MetsNew York YankeesOakland AthleticsPhiladelphia PhilliesPittsburgh PiratesSan Diego PadresSan Francisco GiantsSeattle MarinersSt. Louis CardinalsTexas RangersToronto Blue JaysWashington NationalsMore MLB Teams Batting Pitching Fielding 2024 Regular Season2023 Postseason2023 Regular Season2022 Postseason2022 Regular Season2021 Postseason2021 Regular Season2020 Postseason2020 Regular Season2019 Postseason2019 Regular Season2018 Regular Season2017 Regular Season2016 Regular Season2015 Regular Season2014 Regular Season2013 Postseason2013 Regular Season2012 Regular Season2011 Postseason2011 Regular Season2010 Postseason2010 Regular Season2009 Regular Season2008 Postseason2008 Regular Season2007 Regular Season2006 Regular Season2005 Regular Season2004 Regular Season2003 Regular Season2002 Regular Season2024 Spring Training2023 Spring Training2022 Spring Training2021 Spring Training2020 Spring Training2019 Spring Training2018 Spring Training2024 Regular Season All SplitsLast 7 Daysvs. Leftvs. RightHomeAwayDayNightPre All-StarPost All-StarBaltimore OriolesBoston Red SoxNew York YankeesTampa Bay RaysToronto Blue JaysChicago White SoxCleveland IndiansDetroit TigersKansas City RoyalsMinnesota TwinsHouston AstrosLos Angeles AngelsOakland AthleticsSeattle MarinersTexas RangersAtlanta BravesMiami MarlinsNew York MetsPhiladelphia PhilliesWashington NationalsChicago CubsCincinnati RedsMilwaukee BrewersPittsburgh PiratesSt. Louis CardinalsArizona DiamondbacksColorado RockiesLos Angeles DodgersSan Diego PadresSan Francisco GiantsAprilMayJuneJulyAugustSeptemberNone OnRunners OnScoring PositionScoring Position, 2 outAs PHBases LoadedBatting #1Batting #2Batting #3Batting #4Batting #5Batting #6Batting #7Batting #8Batting #9All Splits Team Leaders Batting AVG Isaac Paredes3B .308 Home Runs Isaac Paredes3B 9 RBI Isaac Paredes3B 28 OBP Isaac Paredes3B .395 Hits Isaac Paredes3B 53 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Hinch barely touched Paredes. He had him for 85 plate trips in 2021 while Paredes had 327 between Lakeland and Toledo. Paredes also hit better in Detroit under Hinch in 2021 than under Gardenhire in 2020. I don't think the problem was Hinch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 24 minutes ago, kdog said: With Tork you have to figure out if he is fixable now. You can take the lessons learned from his struggles and apply them to the next phase of prospects. When I say fixable, the minimum production given his defensive limitations is a high .700s OPS with at least 30 homers a year. If that isn't possible, then you have to find other options. You can't wait around on a hope and a prayer. The passage of time is not a development plan. Actually, you can wait. This is another lost season and he isn’t blocking anyone. We are completely devoid of 1B prospects, unless Gold or Briceno end up there, and they are both a few seasons away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Hinch isn’t the reason this team can’t hit. I doubt it’s a hitting coach, either. And it can’t be the ballpark, unless the ground has settled since the teams with Miggy, V-Mart, Kinsler, JD, etc. flourished. Something else is amiss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 "too many Mexicans. They don't like to hit in the cold weather" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 My humble opinion is that AJ is a better PR guy than a manager. He can talk a good game in front of the press that is as good, if not better, than anyone else out there in my opinion. I’ve heard he and Harris say on several occasions that they both challenge each other on ideas and such. I’d be very curious to know about what and to what degree. I don’t know that I buy that line. In fact, I’d be more concerned that the Hinch/Harris/Greenberg club is probably too cozy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Take a look at their roster. It's too many entitled travel team white college boys. Even the minorities look like white guys. 🙂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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