2025 Detroit Tigers General Discussion Thread

[IdahoBert]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

What’s better for the Tigers?

That’s what I meant because the entertainment value for me is what’s best for the Tigers. 

[IdahoBert]

4 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Twins lose, Guardians use all of their bullpen to do that. 

Yes, that’s what I’m looking for. 

[RedTeamGo!]

It is almost June - trade deadline is right around the corner

What do the Tigers need? What do you think they would trade for those needs?

[Nate7474]

Just now, RedTeamGo! said:

It is almost June - trade deadline is right around the corner

What do the Tigers need? What do you think they would trade for those needs?

Late inning strikeout type bullpen help is really the only thing I’d be looking for. Potentially an end of the rotation experienced starter depending on injuries and how many innings they are willing to take Jobe to.

I think they already have help coming back on the offense side of the house, although injuries could change that. 

[Arlington]

On 5/20/2025 at 10:29 AM, TigerNation said:

I read that the Marlins approached the Tigers at the winter meetings and asked if they'd be interested. Both sides then went to a hotel room and knocked out the details.

That was my understanding, at least the parts were the Marlins initiating the trade.  They went in with a pretty strong idea who they wanted and the Tigers pretty much just said "yea, ok".

I once added up the WAR from the players the Tigers drafted through the 2000s and it was miserable.  Matt Joyce may have been the 4th best draft pick during the decade with a 14.6 WAR.  Dumbrowski traded much of that fodder and gained by some outrageous factor the WAR from the players obtained. One example is Galarraga (4.7 Tiger WAR) who was picked up for a Mike Hernandez who never made it to the majors.  I don't remember much of the details but consider Guillen (18.4 Tiger WAR), Austin Jackson (~21 WAR) Scherzer (21.5),  Peralta (~9 WAR).  Even the Weaver trade yielded Bonderman and Pena, both of which were more productive than that Jackass Weaver. 

[Arlington]

Boston is 4.5 games out.  If they slide further they might have a third baseman who essentially is in his contract year available.

[Motown Bombers]

9 minutes ago, Arlington said:

That was my understanding, at least the parts were the Marlins initiating the trade.  They went in with a pretty strong idea who they wanted and the Tigers pretty much just said "yea, ok".

I once added up the WAR from the players the Tigers drafted through the 2000s and it was miserable.  Matt Joyce may have been the 4th best draft pick during the decade with a 14.6 WAR.  Dumbrowski traded much of that fodder and gained by some outrageous factor the WAR from the players obtained. One example is Galarraga (4.7 Tiger WAR) who was picked up for a Mike Hernandez who never made it to the majors.  I don't remember much of the details but consider Guillen (18.4 Tiger WAR), Austin Jackson (~21 WAR) Scherzer (21.5),  Peralta (~9 WAR).  Even the Weaver trade yielded Bonderman and Pena, both of which were more productive than that Jackass Weaver. 

Matt Joyce was traded for Edwin Jackson who had a good year with the Tigers and was then flipped for Scherzer so the Tigers got the better of that trade. 

[oblong]

It wasn't that straight forward as Jackson for Scherzer.  The Tigers also traded Granderson and Arizona ended up with Ian Kennedy as they also sent Scherzer to Detroit.  We beat this topic to death back in the day as far as who was traded for who....

But regardless, Joyce was a fine player and any team would be happy with a draft that produced a player like that.  Unless you have a top 3 pick, that's all you can reasonably hope for.

 

[gehringer_2]

14 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Matt Joyce was traded for Edwin Jackson who had a good year with the Tigers and was then flipped for Scherzer so the Tigers got the better of that trade. 

We didn't quite get Scherzer just for Jackson. Scherzer's cost was Jackson and Ian Kennedy, and the payoff for Kennedy was Curtis Granderson less the return of Austin Jackson. Scherzer was still the prize of the deal, though Granderson was understood to be the biggest piece at the time.

EDIT: LOL, slow on the draw here!

Edited Wednesday at 05:37 PM by gehringer_2

[Edman85]

45 minutes ago, oblong said:

It wasn't that straight forward as Jackson for Scherzer.  The Tigers also traded Granderson and Arizona ended up with Ian Kennedy as they also sent Scherzer to Detroit.  We beat this topic to death back in the day as far as who was traded for who....

But regardless, Joyce was a fine player and any team would be happy with a draft that produced a player like that.  Unless you have a top 3 pick, that's all you can reasonably hope for.

 

Three way deals I just lump each of the three teams as who they got and who they gave up. As far as I am concerned, the Tigers traded Granderson and E Jackson for A Jackson, Coke, Scherzer, and Schlereth.

As good as Granderson was for the Yankees, I consider this a win still, because Jackson was a big piece for Price (and thus Boyd and Norris and thus Olson). In the sheets I have to evaluate trades, I have a system that metes out percentages each player contributes to the return. So Jackson, Smyly, and Adames would get credited some percentage of Price and everything after Price. This gets pretty intense when you start getting 20 trades deep and you have some odd salary dump trades throwing it off.

Edited Wednesday at 06:19 PM by Edman85

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, RedTeamGo! said:

It is almost June - trade deadline is right around the corner

What do the Tigers need? What do you think they would trade for those needs?

I think it might depend on one or both of two things: (1) who’s injured; and (2) who’s turned into a pumpkin. If the Tigers are healthy and killing it in July the same way they’re killing it now, with no real weak spots around on the diamond, we shouldn’t need anybody. I’d say the chances are roughly 50/50.

[Tiger337]

7 hours ago, chasfh said:

What’s better for the Tigers?

Too early to worry about that.  I just want them to keep winning.  If they don't win enough and it gets close late in the season, then I'll worry about what other teams are doing.  

[chasfh]

11 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Too early to worry about that.  I just want them to keep winning.  If they don't win enough and it gets close late in the season, then I'll worry about what other teams are doing.  

I don't worry about it, but sure, I care. Why not? Games in May count just as much as games in September do. It's better to pick up a game on your opponents when you win in May then to tread water against your opponents when you win in May. It's a marginal benefit worth rooting for. YMMV.

[Tenacious D]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

I think it might depend on one or both of two things: (1) who’s injured; and (2) who’s turned into a pumpkin. If the Tigers are healthy and killing it in July the same way they’re killing it now, with no real weak spots around on the diamond, we shouldn’t need anybody. I’d say the chances are roughly 50/50.

I can already identify a few pumpkins in the pen.

[chasfh]

5 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

I can already identify a few pumpkins in the pen.

We should trade a viable prospect for a good reliever if we have no one else in the system who can step up should pumpkins arise.

[gehringer_2]

8 minutes ago, chasfh said:

We should trade a viable prospect for a good reliever if we have no one else in the system who can step up should pumpkins arise.

Lange could be pitching again in a month - but who knows what he'll be doing. Could be great, could be he can't find the K zone again.

[chasfh]

20 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Lange could be pitching again in a month - but who knows what he'll be doing. Could be great, could be he can't find the K zone again.

I would frankly be very surprised if Lange came back and pitched effectively in the majors again, and doubly surprised if he did so without walking the world.

[gehringer_2]

6 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I would frankly be very surprised if Lange came back and pitched effectively in the majors again, and doubly surprised if he did so without walking the world.

The thing is, we don't know whether the way Lang lost it was related to his injury status, so I don't want to be too pessimistic.

[RandyMarsh]

I've read a couple possible fluff pieces on Dylan Smith and how dominant he has looked since moving to the pen. I'm holding out hope that he could be a guy that could help us internally in the pen later this year. 

[Edman85]

I'm the guy intrigued by Seelinger in Toledo, even if that is foolish to be so.

[IdahoBert]

Is this the thread where we were complaining about podcasts? I’ve just started watching Jason and Dan’s “new have a seat” and they start with banal chitchat about cake. Why do podcasts have to be so clumsily folksy and informal? Why is this the default setting. I’m sure it’ll get good when they actually start, but for God’s sake, really?

[IdahoBert]

46 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

Is this the thread where we were complaining about podcasts? I’ve just started watching Jason and Dan’s “new have a seat” and they start with banal chitchat about cake. Why do podcasts have to be so clumsily folksy and informal? Why is this the default setting. I’m sure it’ll get good when they actually start, but for God’s sake, really?

Wow, when they finally got down to the discussion, six minutes in, it is tremendous. AJ is incredibly impressive and thoughtful. In a way he’s like a military tactician who gets the most out of his soldiers. This is one of the best discussions about baseball I’ve ever heard. More discussion less chitchat is good. 

[SoCalTiger]

On 5/21/2025 at 1:05 PM, chasfh said:

We should trade a viable prospect for a good reliever if we have no one else in the system who can step up should pumpkins arise.

Not for a reliever. Not atop 15 prospect anyway. 

[chasfh]

46 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

Not for a reliever. Not atop 15 prospect anyway. 

We probably won’t get a shutdown reliever rental for anyone outside the top 15. I actually think we may not make any moves.

[monkeytargets39]

Realistically how long of a rehab is SGL going to need before we would feel like he is an option again?  He has a lot of what we need with low walks/solid K numbers and multi-inning value.