2025 MLB Trading Deadline

[buddha]

On 8/3/2025 at 3:50 PM, gehringer_2 said:

I don't think the situation here is particularly unique to Detroit, but it is a big city phenomenon in the sense that the big daily papers in the major pro sports cities had all built these impressive stables of deeply experienced sports reporters - in Detroit it was Jerry Green, Pete Waldemeir, Joe Falls, Watson Spoelstra and then the last of the local line, the late great Tom Kowalski. They were a kind of sports royalty in the 'golden age' years. But with the general collapse of the newspaper business, that is all gone. So fine, times change - but the guys at the papers now still want to bask in the afterglow of an institution that's gone. They don't have the experience, the access, or the institutional support to do what they still pretend to be able to do.

legacy sportswriters have been getting the **** kicked out of them by internet sports kids for years.  its embarassing.

its a dead media.  monarrez is a poor man's rob parker or drew sharpe.  just offering up contrarian takes for the sake of contrarian takes.  and sharpe - for all his flaws - was a lot better at it than monarrez.

[lordstanley]

On 8/3/2025 at 1:50 PM, gehringer_2 said:

I don't think the situation here is particularly unique to Detroit, but it is a big city phenomenon in the sense that the big daily papers in the major pro sports cities had all built these impressive stables of deeply experienced sports reporters - in Detroit it was Jerry Green, Pete Waldemeir, Joe Falls, Watson Spoelstra and then the last of the local line, the late great Tom Kowalski. They were a kind of sports royalty in the 'golden age' years. But with the general collapse of the newspaper business, that is all gone. So fine, times change - but the guys at the papers now still want to bask in the afterglow of an institution that's gone. They don't have the experience, the access, or the institutional support to do what they still pretend to be able to do.

Take my view with a grain of salt, as I live thousands of miles away and in a different country, but I think Bob Wojnoski is the one remaining columnist/reporter in the tradition of Green and Falls. 

[oblong]

You have to answer the question of what purpose does the sports media serve today? 

Analysis?  Nope.  We can get better analysis here and on the internet in general.  You have to weed through it obviously.  

Insight and background information?  Maybe but the leagues all have their own media and the athletes are don't talk about that kind of stuff anymore.  There's no meeting up at the hotel lobby bar or Lindell AC to bitch about the GM.  Players are walking corporations.  Their interviews are done with the official team podcast sponsored by a law firm that's hosted by organization employees.

 

[alex]

All IMHO. We learned a bit more about SHarris at this 2025 Trade Deadline. First, I still think he has done a lot for the organization in terms of: getting facility upgrades, talent evaluators aboard, nutrition with exercise science and recovery data sought, scouting & development and several other things. The one thing I had questioned for a while now is his ability to acquire MLB talent. Yes, he can get players who 'may' hit that are younger still ex McKinstry, Vierling and Holton. With said he has had numerous other 'shots' with the likes of Maton, Rizzo, Solak, Camargo, Nevin, etc., etc. Not to mention all the arms back and forth. All GMS do this.

I/we do not know just how much he tried to get another 'impact' BP piece here. Was it just Briceno (also Clark, McGonigle, Rainer or CRodriguez) or bust to get one? I do not believe that. I somehow think he may have been able to do a 3 (or even 4) for 1 deal for a Helsley or a similar arm. Or for Suarez. I would think a combo of anyone from say our 7th to 25th rated players, that type of thing. Also, he still had JJung, JHM and others to work with. I would tend to think another deal to add quality to go with the quantity he obtained could have been done. Again a 3-4 player for 1 deal. Other teams did accomplish this. The Yankees got Dovel for 4 minor league players and NOT a Top prospect. Seattle did it for Saurez. The Mets for Helsley. I think even GSoto may have been able to help (ex against a heavy LH hitting like Philly -  the Mets thought so). Where the Tigers 'may' have been short was young actual prospect arms to get this type of deal done. With said, IF Harris opted not to trade quantity from say the top 10-25 ranked prospects (which is subjective), using multiples to get a better player to add on - then I am mildly disappointed. If you think about it, he used the same quantity over quality approach to get players.

If Harris did not do this because he felt even that is too much then I really second guess here. Why? because your are keeping your top farm guys AND adding impact at the expense of potentially lesser players. You are trying to win now and in the future. I still question if Harris has the art to negotiate a bit back and forth when dealing. The knack to get a deal done. I do like that he made deals with several different teams. That he is gaining more experience here. I question just how much GM JGreenberg impacts things with deal making. I also think Harris has a bit of Yzerman in him and a little 'thinking the smartest guy in the room' mentality going on. They both seem very secure with their respective positions.

IMHO, a bit more could have and should have been done. I am pleasantly surprised he did get several deals done.

You never really know when you are in a true position to win. The Tigers have that now. There is some luck involved with this and there will be injuries to all teams as we move forward. Some injuries may be devastating. Go Tigs!

 

[4hzglory]

1 hour ago, alex said:

 

I/we do not know just how much he tried to get another 'impact' BP piece here. Was it just Briceno (also Clark, McGonigle, Rainer or CRodriguez) or bust to get one? I do not believe that. I somehow think he may have been able to do a 3 (or even 4) for 1 deal for a Helsley or a similar arm. Or for Suarez. I would think a combo of anyone from say our 7th to 25th rated players, that type of thing. Also, he still had JJung, JHM and others to work with. I would tend to think another deal to add quality to go with the quantity he obtained could have been done. Again a 3-4 player for 1 deal. Other teams did accomplish this. The Yankees got Dovel for 4 minor league players and NOT a Top prospect. Seattle did it for Saurez. The Mets for Helsley. I think even GSoto may have been able to help (ex against a heavy LH hitting like Philly -  the Mets thought so). Where the Tigers 'may' have been short was young actual prospect arms to get this type of deal done. With said, IF Harris opted not to trade quantity from say the top 10-25 ranked prospects (which is subjective), using multiples to get a better player to add on - then I am mildly disappointed. If you think about it, he used the same quantity over quality approach to get players.

 

Helsley has more velocity and I preferred him over Finnegan, but it could fairly easily be argued they are very "similar arms".  Especially when you see how Helsley's fastball has been hit this season.  Maybe they saw something in his video/metrics that they didn't think they could improve on.  They at least didn't see Helsley as enough of an upgrade over Finnegan or the other arms

People can think differently, but the Tigers were clear that they weren't looking for position players.  Mike Ferrin (of MLB Radio and Arizona broadcaster) confirmed what Cody was saying: that all the talk from those around the team was that they were only looking for arms at the deadline and had no interest in Suarez or other bats.  

And I don't think they saw Gregory Soto as an upgrade over the lefthanders they already have in the bullpen.

I did want them to get Bednar for what it took and was definitely disappointed when I saw what Jax ended up going for (although he requested a trade in the afternoon and had had a blow up with Badelli the night before).  And personally, I would have tried to get Duran and would have been open to moving any one headliner outside of Rainer, Clark, McGonigle, Liranzo to get him.  - Yes I would have include Briceno or C-Rod for Duran, but only one of them plus 2+ of the next bunch.

Edited August 5 by 4hzglory

[Tigermojo]

Paddack, Morton and Finnegan have all pitched well. I'll take the players who will be good for Detroit in the second half over the players who were good for someone else in the first half.

[lordstanley]

Yanks demote Jake Bird to AAA.

[SoCalTiger]

I happened upon a podcast from a guy named Valenti on YouTube last night by chance. In essence  he said Harris only wants good not great teams. That he is "settling" for good and forfeiting great. I found his argument patently unfair and incorrect. I mean the best record in the AmericanLeague/Baseball seems better than good to me. I can't believe Harris is subjected to this type of cynicism. It's like a child whining on Christmas morning. 

Needless to say I did not subscribe not hit the like button. 

[Tenacious D]

14 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

I happened upon a podcast from a guy named Valenti on YouTube last night by chance. In essence  he said Harris only wants good not great teams. That he is "settling" for good and forfeiting great. I found his argument patently unfair and incorrect. I mean the best record in the AmericanLeague/Baseball seems better than good to me. I can't believe Harris is subjected to this type of cynicism. It's like a child whining on Christmas morning. 

Needless to say I did not subscribe not hit the like button. 

I find the local radio personalities pander to the lowest common denominator by leaning into conspiracy narratives like the Tigers are cheap (false), Harris is incompetent (false) and Tenacious D is smokin’ hot (that one may actually be true).

Riger, Valenti, Ryan, etc…are less informed on the Tigers than almost anyone here.  Listening to crazy callers all day probably doesn’t help.

[gehringer_2]

15 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

I find the local radio personalities pander to the lowest common denominator by leaning into conspiracy narratives like the Tigers are cheap (false), Harris is incompetent (false) and Tenacious D is smokin’ hot (that one may actually be true).

Riger, Valenti, Ryan, etc…are less informed on the Tigers than almost anyone here.  Listening to crazy callers all day probably doesn’t help.

For some reason, it's seems of all the major sports, Baseball is the one where the media get most attached to narratives about well know players and forget to let go of them when the players are no longer relevant. I think that underlying paradigm feeds into the ease of generating malcontent interest. A great example has been ESPN commentary about Correa. Carlos is a player who is getting old fast (30), hasn't had a plus hitting or fielding year in three seasons and they are talking about him like getting him is going to win Houston another WS. The odds right now, today, of him being a difference maker for a team are certainly objectively less than say - Zack McKinstry. But Baseball writers just can't let go of the narrative about guys on the downside, so when teams like the Tigers have sense enough to understand that it's a young man's game, they get hammered for it.

Edited August 5 by gehringer_2

[lordstanley]

Eugenio Suarez has played 8 games for the Mariners since being acquired at the deadline, going 3 for 31 including striking out 13 times for an .097 avg, 1 HR, 3 RBI, .347 OPS. 

[IdahoBert]

On 8/5/2025 at 11:28 AM, Tenacious D said:

Riger, Valenti, Ryan, etc…are less informed on the Tigers than almost anyone here.  Listening to crazy callers all day probably doesn’t help.

I’m not in a position to listen to local sports radio from Detroit, but what you’re saying tends to make a lot of sense to me. And it’s the reason that a lot of sports commentary bores the heck out of me and is unlistenable. 

[IdahoBert]

On 8/5/2025 at 6:10 AM, alex said:

All IMHO. We learned a bit more about SHarris at this 2025 Trade Deadline. First, I still think he has done a lot for the organization in terms of: getting facility upgrades, talent evaluators aboard, nutrition with exercise science and recovery data sought, scouting & development and several other things. The one thing I had questioned for a while now is his ability to acquire MLB talent. Yes, he can get players who 'may' hit that are younger still ex McKinstry, Vierling and Holton. With said he has had numerous other 'shots' with the likes of Maton, Rizzo, Solak, Camargo, Nevin, etc., etc. Not to mention all the arms back and forth. All GMS do this.

I/we do not know just how much he tried to get another 'impact' BP piece here. Was it just Briceno (also Clark, McGonigle, Rainer or CRodriguez) or bust to get one? I do not believe that. I somehow think he may have been able to do a 3 (or even 4) for 1 deal for a Helsley or a similar arm. Or for Suarez. I would think a combo of anyone from say our 7th to 25th rated players, that type of thing. Also, he still had JJung, JHM and others to work with. I would tend to think another deal to add quality to go with the quantity he obtained could have been done. Again a 3-4 player for 1 deal. Other teams did accomplish this. The Yankees got Dovel for 4 minor league players and NOT a Top prospect. Seattle did it for Saurez. The Mets for Helsley. I think even GSoto may have been able to help (ex against a heavy LH hitting like Philly -  the Mets thought so). Where the Tigers 'may' have been short was young actual prospect arms to get this type of deal done. With said, IF Harris opted not to trade quantity from say the top 10-25 ranked prospects (which is subjective), using multiples to get a better player to add on - then I am mildly disappointed. If you think about it, he used the same quantity over quality approach to get players.

If Harris did not do this because he felt even that is too much then I really second guess here. Why? because your are keeping your top farm guys AND adding impact at the expense of potentially lesser players. You are trying to win now and in the future. I still question if Harris has the art to negotiate a bit back and forth when dealing. The knack to get a deal done. I do like that he made deals with several different teams. That he is gaining more experience here. I question just how much GM JGreenberg impacts things with deal making. I also think Harris has a bit of Yzerman in him and a little 'thinking the smartest guy in the room' mentality going on. They both seem very secure with their respective positions.

IMHO, a bit more could have and should have been done. I am pleasantly surprised he did get several deals done.

You never really know when you are in a true position to win. The Tigers have that now. There is some luck involved with this and there will be injuries to all teams as we move forward. Some injuries may be devastating. Go Tigs!

 

You put a lot of thought into this. Thank you.  I wish I had gotten around a reading it sooner. 

[IdahoBert]

6 hours ago, lordstanley said:

Eugenio Suarez has played 8 games for the Mariners since being acquired at the deadline, going 3 for 31 including striking out 13 times for an .097 avg, 1 HR, 3 RBI, .347 OPS. 

I didn’t realize this, but the cold hard part in my cinder of a heart takes comfort in this being his out of the gate performance for them.

Some Tigers players said they would like him as an addition to the team, but as much as I enjoy the performances of our own players, I don’t necessarily think they have great insight into moves to make at the deadline that require a more strategic global take on matters in a 3-D chess kind of way than in a checkers sort of way. These guys are good at their respective crafts but they don’t have access to all the information that the generals in Command Central have access to. 

 

[4hzglory]

SSS alert:  Finnegan since the trade. 

3 1/3 IP.  
1 Hit

0 Walks

5K

0.30 WHIP

13.5 K/9

and Infinity K/BB ratio 🤪

[chasfh]

9 hours ago, lordstanley said:

Eugenio Suarez has played 8 games for the Mariners since being acquired at the deadline, going 3 for 31 including striking out 13 times for an .097 avg, 1 HR, 3 RBI, .347 OPS. 

fire harris

[chasfh]

On 8/5/2025 at 12:28 PM, Tenacious D said:

I find the local radio personalities pander to the lowest common denominator by leaning into conspiracy narratives like the Tigers are cheap (false), Harris is incompetent (false) and Tenacious D is smokin’ hot (that one may actually be true).

May?

[Archie]

1 hour ago, 4hzglory said:

SSS alert:  Finnegan since the trade. 

3 1/3 IP.  
1 Hit

0 Walks

5K

0.30 WHIP

13.5 K/9

and Infinity K/BB ratio 🤪

Some of the deadline acquisitions are terrible.  I think Tigers might of done ok with Finnegan but Montero is not a great find. Fortunately they didnt give up a lot for any of them. Tigers need more trades like they did a couple years ago when they traded Norris for Reese Olsen. Is Norris even in baseball anymore?

[tiger2022]

Sports writers/commentators are as vital to society as VCR repairmen.

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, Archie said:

 but Montero is not a great find. Fortunately they didnt give up a lot for any of them.

someone will get cut when Lange is called back. He worked a back to back last week for the 1st time (though he gave up a solo HR the 2nd night). He had a couple of bad (as in multiple walk) outings in July, but generally seems to be improving - if he can stay healthy.

Edited August 9 by gehringer_2

[HeyAbbott]

On 8/5/2025 at 7:32 AM, oblong said:

You have to answer the question of what purpose does the sports media serve today? 

Analysis?  Nope.  We can get better analysis here and on the internet in general.  You have to weed through it obviously.  

Insight and background information?  Maybe but the leagues all have their own media and the athletes are don't talk about that kind of stuff anymore.  There's no meeting up at the hotel lobby bar or Lindell AC to bitch about the GM.  Players are walking corporations.  Their interviews are done with the official team podcast sponsored by a law firm that's hosted by organization employees.

 

Local sports electronic media is too predictable to waste time upon. Everyone has adpoted the " Drunk Sitting on the Barstool Shtick." It's all about controversy and baitclicks for most of local radio media. in Detroit. Generally, I think it's just as useless as nipples on a gelded boar.

Edited August 9 by HeyAbbott

[1776]

3 hours ago, Archie said:

Is Norris even in baseball anymore?

Norris’ career ended with the Columbus Clippers in September of 2023. If he’s pitching on foreign shores, I’m not finding it.
 

[Tiger337]

2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

someone will get cut when Lange is called back. He worked a back to back last week for the 1st time (though he gave up a solo HR the 2nd night). He had a couple of bad (as in multiple walk) outings in July, but generally seems to be improving - if he can stay healthy.

I consider anything Lange does to be a bonus.  He walked too many batters when was healthy and i never trust a pitcher coming off any injury. 

[Edman85]

3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

someone will get cut when Lange is called back. He worked a back to back last week for the 1st time (though he gave up a solo HR the 2nd night). He had a couple of bad (as in multiple walk) outings in July, but generally seems to be improving - if he can stay healthy.

The most likely scenario is he is optioned back when his rehab assignment times out (August 19). That would require a 40-man move, but that was done yesterday when Jackson was DFA'ed.

Edited August 9 by Edman85

[alex]

8 hours ago, IdahoBert said:

You put a lot of thought into this. Thank you.  I wish I had gotten around a reading it sooner. 

You are Welcome sir!