2025 MLB Trading Deadline

[buddha]

On 8/3/2025 at 3:50 PM, gehringer_2 said:

I don't think the situation here is particularly unique to Detroit, but it is a big city phenomenon in the sense that the big daily papers in the major pro sports cities had all built these impressive stables of deeply experienced sports reporters - in Detroit it was Jerry Green, Pete Waldemeir, Joe Falls, Watson Spoelstra and then the last of the local line, the late great Tom Kowalski. They were a kind of sports royalty in the 'golden age' years. But with the general collapse of the newspaper business, that is all gone. So fine, times change - but the guys at the papers now still want to bask in the afterglow of an institution that's gone. They don't have the experience, the access, or the institutional support to do what they still pretend to be able to do.

legacy sportswriters have been getting the **** kicked out of them by internet sports kids for years.  its embarassing.

its a dead media.  monarrez is a poor man's rob parker or drew sharpe.  just offering up contrarian takes for the sake of contrarian takes.  and sharpe - for all his flaws - was a lot better at it than monarrez.

[lordstanley]

On 8/3/2025 at 1:50 PM, gehringer_2 said:

I don't think the situation here is particularly unique to Detroit, but it is a big city phenomenon in the sense that the big daily papers in the major pro sports cities had all built these impressive stables of deeply experienced sports reporters - in Detroit it was Jerry Green, Pete Waldemeir, Joe Falls, Watson Spoelstra and then the last of the local line, the late great Tom Kowalski. They were a kind of sports royalty in the 'golden age' years. But with the general collapse of the newspaper business, that is all gone. So fine, times change - but the guys at the papers now still want to bask in the afterglow of an institution that's gone. They don't have the experience, the access, or the institutional support to do what they still pretend to be able to do.

Take my view with a grain of salt, as I live thousands of miles away and in a different country, but I think Bob Wojnoski is the one remaining columnist/reporter in the tradition of Green and Falls. 

[oblong]

You have to answer the question of what purpose does the sports media serve today? 

Analysis?  Nope.  We can get better analysis here and on the internet in general.  You have to weed through it obviously.  

Insight and background information?  Maybe but the leagues all have their own media and the athletes are don't talk about that kind of stuff anymore.  There's no meeting up at the hotel lobby bar or Lindell AC to bitch about the GM.  Players are walking corporations.  Their interviews are done with the official team podcast sponsored by a law firm that's hosted by organization employees.

 

[alex]

All IMHO. We learned a bit more about SHarris at this 2025 Trade Deadline. First, I still think he has done a lot for the organization in terms of: getting facility upgrades, talent evaluators aboard, nutrition with exercise science and recovery data sought, scouting & development and several other things. The one thing I had questioned for a while now is his ability to acquire MLB talent. Yes, he can get players who 'may' hit that are younger still ex McKinstry, Vierling and Holton. With said he has had numerous other 'shots' with the likes of Maton, Rizzo, Solak, Camargo, Nevin, etc., etc. Not to mention all the arms back and forth. All GMS do this.

I/we do not know just how much he tried to get another 'impact' BP piece here. Was it just Briceno (also Clark, McGonigle, Rainer or CRodriguez) or bust to get one? I do not believe that. I somehow think he may have been able to do a 3 (or even 4) for 1 deal for a Helsley or a similar arm. Or for Suarez. I would think a combo of anyone from say our 7th to 25th rated players, that type of thing. Also, he still had JJung, JHM and others to work with. I would tend to think another deal to add quality to go with the quantity he obtained could have been done. Again a 3-4 player for 1 deal. Other teams did accomplish this. The Yankees got Dovel for 4 minor league players and NOT a Top prospect. Seattle did it for Saurez. The Mets for Helsley. I think even GSoto may have been able to help (ex against a heavy LH hitting like Philly -  the Mets thought so). Where the Tigers 'may' have been short was young actual prospect arms to get this type of deal done. With said, IF Harris opted not to trade quantity from say the top 10-25 ranked prospects (which is subjective), using multiples to get a better player to add on - then I am mildly disappointed. If you think about it, he used the same quantity over quality approach to get players.

If Harris did not do this because he felt even that is too much then I really second guess here. Why? because your are keeping your top farm guys AND adding impact at the expense of potentially lesser players. You are trying to win now and in the future. I still question if Harris has the art to negotiate a bit back and forth when dealing. The knack to get a deal done. I do like that he made deals with several different teams. That he is gaining more experience here. I question just how much GM JGreenberg impacts things with deal making. I also think Harris has a bit of Yzerman in him and a little 'thinking the smartest guy in the room' mentality going on. They both seem very secure with their respective positions.

IMHO, a bit more could have and should have been done. I am pleasantly surprised he did get several deals done.

You never really know when you are in a true position to win. The Tigers have that now. There is some luck involved with this and there will be injuries to all teams as we move forward. Some injuries may be devastating. Go Tigs!

 

[4hzglory]

1 hour ago, alex said:

 

I/we do not know just how much he tried to get another 'impact' BP piece here. Was it just Briceno (also Clark, McGonigle, Rainer or CRodriguez) or bust to get one? I do not believe that. I somehow think he may have been able to do a 3 (or even 4) for 1 deal for a Helsley or a similar arm. Or for Suarez. I would think a combo of anyone from say our 7th to 25th rated players, that type of thing. Also, he still had JJung, JHM and others to work with. I would tend to think another deal to add quality to go with the quantity he obtained could have been done. Again a 3-4 player for 1 deal. Other teams did accomplish this. The Yankees got Dovel for 4 minor league players and NOT a Top prospect. Seattle did it for Saurez. The Mets for Helsley. I think even GSoto may have been able to help (ex against a heavy LH hitting like Philly -  the Mets thought so). Where the Tigers 'may' have been short was young actual prospect arms to get this type of deal done. With said, IF Harris opted not to trade quantity from say the top 10-25 ranked prospects (which is subjective), using multiples to get a better player to add on - then I am mildly disappointed. If you think about it, he used the same quantity over quality approach to get players.

 

Helsley has more velocity and I preferred him over Finnegan, but it could fairly easily be argued they are very "similar arms".  Especially when you see how Helsley's fastball has been hit this season.  Maybe they saw something in his video/metrics that they didn't think they could improve on.  They at least didn't see Helsley as enough of an upgrade over Finnegan or the other arms

People can think differently, but the Tigers were clear that they weren't looking for position players.  Mike Ferrin (of MLB Radio and Arizona broadcaster) confirmed what Cody was saying: that all the talk from those around the team was that they were only looking for arms at the deadline and had no interest in Suarez or other bats.  

And I don't think they saw Gregory Soto as an upgrade over the lefthanders they already have in the bullpen.

I did want them to get Bednar for what it took and was definitely disappointed when I saw what Jax ended up going for (although he requested a trade in the afternoon and had had a blow up with Badelli the night before).  And personally, I would have tried to get Duran and would have been open to moving any one headliner outside of Rainer, Clark, McGonigle, Liranzo to get him.  - Yes I would have include Briceno or C-Rod for Duran, but only one of them plus 2+ of the next bunch.

Edited 39 minutes ago by 4hzglory

[Tigermojo]

Paddack, Morton and Finnegan have all pitched well. I'll take the players who will be good for Detroit in the second half over the players who were good for someone else in the first half.