8/9/25 6:10PM Angels @ Tigers

[gehringer_2]

20 minutes ago, casimir said:

Not going to argue that.  But who did you want Hinch to bring into the game earlier?

Doesn't matter. I'd rather roll the dice on the chances a not very good reliever can get through an inning starting clean, than push a starter past when he's sharp. The odds of runs going up in the latter case always seems to converge to 100%, I'll take my chance with the questionable reliever over that every time.

But almost every manager wants to will his guys to go just a little more. Especially with guys who have performed for him in the past. And of course fans and media will be all over him if the guy he does bring in fails because you can't prove what didn't happen.

Edited August 10 by gehringer_2

[IdahoBert]

8 hours ago, IdahoBert said:

Whatever happens we’re going to get what we get. 

And we did. And I’m not pitching a fit. 

[IdahoBert]

The whole world is hanging by a thread right now. It’s indecent to expend too much emotion on this situation I guess. 

[gehringer_2]

5 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

The whole world is hanging by a thread right now. It’s indecent to expend too much emotion on this situation I guess. 

Though, TBF,  the 'whole world' will be fine if we manage to take ourselves out of it. It might even have better luck with the next big brained species it evolves. They could even be a species that never invents extra inning runners or hockey shoot outs. 🤔

[lordstanley]

As shaky as the Tigers have been, a big part of the story is the Guardians going 21-7 (.750 ball for 28 games) if they hang on to their 3-1 8th inning lead tonight after being under .500 most of the year. If the Guardians had simply gone 17-11, still better than they had started the year, the Tigers' lead would be near double digits.

[lordstanley]

10 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

The whole world is hanging by a thread right now. It’s indecent to expend too much emotion on this situation I guess. 

I save all my passion and negativity and channel it instead towards the scourge of e-bikes and e-scooters on sidewalks. We need to bring back the electric chair in Canada. Just for that. 

[kdog]

 

[romad1]

Superman...it was what i was doing.  When I turned off my phone Perez was driven in from 3rd on his triple.   My thoughts on the movie.  Its manipulative as crap and has moments I liked but it was not great art. 

[papalawrence]

Perhaps Lady Gaga will write a song about the collapse of the Tigers' division lead. She can sing it in her meat dress.

[SoCalTiger]

Morton pitched well with bad luck in that the few bad pitches were all home runs. Velocity seemed ok and lots of swing and miss. I think he will be fine. Cleveland will cool and we will right the ship but the knock at the door is loud and probably will get louder before it fades away. 

[holygoat]

1 hour ago, SoCalTiger said:

Cleveland will cool and we will right the ship but the knock at the door is loud and probably will get louder before it fades away. 

The question isn't will Cleveland cool off, it's will they cool off enough to matter? Because even if they cool off to, say, .500 to close out the season, that's more than enough to pass the Tigers based on the last month of play. Our pitching, which was our strength when we were cruising, is now a loaded diaper after injuries and regression. Other than Skubal, who can we confidently project to be reliable going forward? 

I'm not giving up, because baseball, but my faith in the team has diminished to the point where I kind of go into each game expecting them to lose now.

[1776]

8 hours ago, SoCalTiger said:

Morton pitched well with bad luck in that the few bad pitches were all home runs. Velocity seemed ok and lots of swing and miss. I think he will be fine. Cleveland will cool and we will right the ship but the knock at the door is loud and probably will get louder before it fades away. 

My perspective as well. Morton left a couple of pitches in the zone and they didn’t miss, unfortunately. His stuff was good. 

[Archie]

7 hours ago, holygoat said:

The question isn't will Cleveland cool off, it's will they cool off enough to matter? Because even if they cool off to, say, .500 to close out the season, that's more than enough to pass the Tigers based on the last month of play. Our pitching, which was our strength when we were cruising, is now a loaded diaper after injuries and regression. Other than Skubal, who can we confidently project to be reliable going forward? 

I'm not giving up, because baseball, but my faith in the team has diminished to the point where I kind of go into each game expecting them to lose now.

Besides injuries and regression, Harris didn't do anything to improve the team at the trade deadline.  I would not expect him to trade prospects if the team was .500 and trying to catch the last WC spot.  However, they had the best record in MLB and making (and winning) the WS was a real possibility.  It was very obvious to everyone what the team needed and bringing players in the from the waiver line or trading for marginal, bad or players way past their prime did nothing to help.  They might capture lightning in a bottle occasionally with these players but they should not count on it. I think Harris screwed up this season and it should cost  him his job.  His approach to the trade deadline was a complete failure.

[Klondike]

Is it just me but everytime I browse the box score the opposite team has 3 home runs. I mean lately every game

[papalawrence]

21 minutes ago, Klondike said:

Is it just me but everytime I browse the box score the opposite team has 3 home runs. I mean lately every game

Detroit's pitching has been bottom quadrant in mlb for the past 2 months. Trying to patch the holes with dfa reclamation projects isn't working

[Sports_Freak]

14 hours ago, casimir said:

Not going to argue that.  But who did you want Hinch to bring into the game earlier?

It's not so much on Hinch, he has to use the guys Harris gets him. But the only sure thing about our bullpen arms is that they will be inconsistent. They replaced guys with 4 70 ERAs with guys with 4 69 ERAs. Montero with his 5.50 ERA doesn't inspire much confidence, even if he did pitch a scoreless 2 innings or so. Next game? He'll give up a few runs. That is, if you believe the stats.

[holygoat]

1 hour ago, Archie said:

Besides injuries and regression, Harris didn't do anything to improve the team at the trade deadline.  I would not expect him to trade prospects if the team was .500 and trying to catch the last WC spot.  However, they had the best record in MLB and making (and winning) the WS was a real possibility.  It was very obvious to everyone what the team needed and bringing players in the from the waiver line or trading for marginal, bad or players way past their prime did nothing to help.  They might capture lightning in a bottle occasionally with these players but they should not count on it. I think Harris screwed up this season and it should cost  him his job.  His approach to the trade deadline was a complete failure.

Harris would've essentially had to replace every pitcher not named Skubal at the deadline to make the sort of impact you're talking about, and that's not realistic -- nor is it wise, IMO. I would've liked one higher-end RP and another bat, but I don't think even that would be worth the extra five wins to improve them to .500 over this 7-17 slump. And short of receiving an impact player with multiple years of control in return, I don't want Harris trading any of our top three prospects. (4 and 5 are redundant, so I'm way more open to moving one of them, but without knowing what they could fetch at the deadline, I'd rather he wait for the off-season to make that sort of move.) Harris's deadline moves didn't help the team much (other than Finnegan), but there was no way to know how bad the pitching was gonna be post-deadline. It's been bad enough to argue that whatever Harris could've received for Clark, McGonigal and Rainer still wouldn't have pulled the Tigers out of this slump -- Suarez's pathetic performance certainly wouldn't have helped -- and we'd still have Cleveland climbing up our ass, only with no future assets in the minors.

[casimir]

17 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Montero? Really? Hinch;

 

47 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

It's not so much on Hinch, he has to use the guys Harris gets him. But the only sure thing about our bullpen arms is that they will be inconsistent. They replaced guys with 4 70 ERAs with guys with 4 69 ERAs. Montero with his 5.50 ERA doesn't inspire much confidence, even if he did pitch a scoreless 2 innings or so. Next game? He'll give up a few runs. That is, if you believe the stats.

Sure seems like you were complaining about Hinch in the original post.  Or maybe you misquoted your thoughts, I don’t know.

[Sports_Freak]

1 minute ago, casimir said:

 

Sure seems like you were complaining about Hinch in the original post.  Or maybe you misquoted your thoughts, I don’t know.

Well, yeah. Using both your catchers in the original lineup? Using your worst BP arm 1st in a close game? Both questionable moves seemed to have worked out, except for the loss. But at least he got Riley into the game. 😒😒

[casimir]

1 minute ago, Sports_Freak said:

Well, yeah. Using both your catchers in the original lineup? Using your worst BP arm 1st in a close game? Both questionable moves seemed to have worked out, except for the loss. But at least he got Riley into the game. 😒😒

So you’re not going to answer who you’d have rather had enter the game.  And you’re going to blame Hinch but not blame Hinch for the move that was made.  Got it.