10/5/2025 Tigers @ Mariners 8:03 PM ALDS Game 2

[SeattleMike]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

What are Mariners fans chanting every time Suarez is up?  Is it simply "Eugenio"? 

Geno

[chasfh]

6 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I want to answer this now. First off, I do not think they should have done whatever it takes and compromised their future to build around Tarik Skubal. I did not call for Harris to be reckless and irresponsible with the future of this franchise. I've never called for him to trade any of our top 3-4 prospects like Clark, McGonigle, Briceno, etc. 

What I did want foremost was for him to adjust the plan he had when he originally came into this organization and accelerate the timeline of his rebuild because he had the single, best starting pitcher in the game. Harris wasn't gifted the 5th, 8th, or 12th best pitcher, he had the very best one. That's something you have to build around.

In my mind, building around Skubal meant adding another starter via free agency. Harris did that with Flaherty and I commend him for it. He's been mostly a plus addition. And Harris was even more shrude for getting something for him and then bringing him back. 

Second, I wanted him to draft Wyatt Langford in 2023 over Max Clark, as did most fans and people here. This is not a knock on Clark or McGonigle. I'm extremely happy with the players they appear to be developing into. I love the McGonigle pick in particular. But Langford would have been one of my plus bats that I would have added to this lineup. Langford would be here, now, starting on our playoff roster. 

Third, like many, I wanted an upgrade at third base. Matt Chapman was my original ask of Harris and it appeared Harris didn't attempt to go that route. Now, Chapman wasn't great shakes this year, so it's not like I'd be proven right if he were here and not in SanFran. Harris had no plans or desire to add a third baseman and bat in the 24 offseason because it wasn't apart of his timeline to win apparently.

I wanted Bregman this offseason and to Harris' credit, he tried and tried hard to get him. He made what I thought was an aggressive and fair offer for him. The problem is, after making the playoffs last year, Harris had no backup plan to Bregman. No trade options, no free agent bats we were linked to besides Bregman. Nothing. 

Alright big mouth (calling myself this), who did you want Harris to get it not Bregman? Answer, Willy Adames or Christan Walker. I was on board with Adames in the offseason. As well, I was on board with Walker for the DH slot instead of Keith. I would have split Tork and Keith at 1st.

I know Adames didn't have a great year this year with the Giants. However, that doesn't garauntee he would have played as poorly her me, under AJ and his coaching staff. Maybe he does or doesn't. And I know, he strikes out a lot. But you know who else strikes out a lot, most of Harris' assembled lineup. We don't control the plate like Harris says he wants. We take bad swings at everything and strike out, a lot. 

As for the trade deadline, I was critical of Harris and wanted him to do more, even though I expected very little and got little. I wanted a bat of some kind, without breaking the bank. It didn't have to be a RHB, but someone who could help us compete with teams like Seattle and Toronto that we were likely to face in the playoffs. I know we weren't going to build a lineup equivalent to Toronto overnight. I didn't have that expectation. I know Suarez was not a realistic option either given the cost. But you know who could have been, Ryan O’Hearn. The Padres gave up their 6th, 8th, and 16th best prospect to get him. Not a Clark or McGonigle level prospect. O'Hearn DH'ing or playing the outfield would have been a huge addition to this lineup. 

Nicely answered. I'm not sure how we can go back in time and draft Wyatt Langford with so clear a 20-20 hindsight crystal ball at our disposal ...

I think Harris might have been looking at the disaster that Avila left behind and figured, reasonably so, that we would not have had the horses in house to support Skubal during his remaining 3-1/2 years (at the time) with the team; that we could not have bought our way to immediate contention with either money or the prospect capital we had at hand; and that by the time we could have built up to a level of contender that a front-liner like Skubal could headline, he would be choosing from among multiple offers from Big Six teams.

So, in a way, our contending way ahead of schedule kind of ****ed up that part of the plan. Who knew when Scott Harris came aboard that we were going to win well into October the very next year with guys like Javy and McKinstry and Wenceel and Carpenter and Parker Meadows and a bunch of waiver wire and one-year guys leading the way—and hell, with even Tork? No one in August, 2023 could have foreseen that. So it made sense that we were planning on building more slowly than that, and would probably have to start fielding the winning Tiger teams with Skubal already having a foot out the door. I think that would have been a fact of life most of us would have accepted up to and including July of 2024.

But then, out of nowhere, we start winning and surprise the whole baseball world last year—so why not throw all the chips onto the table and go for broke, 2025 or bust? That's what Dombrowski would have done, right? Damn right that's what he would have done. And that's fine if all anyone cares about is 2025, and that the following year is for 2026 us to worry about. But that's not how Harris, and now Baby Doc Ilitch, see things. They know stuff fans generally don't, such as, there was no chance on god's green earth Shohei Ohtani and Juan Soto were ever going to come to Detroit. Heck, you even said yourself that we tried our damnedest to get Bregman, who's clearly a cut below Ohtani/Soto, fielding the best offer by far, and he still wouldn't come to Detroit. Now multiple that by every top-tier free agent of the last ten years. And we don't know what what kind of trades Harris has been turning down that past two years, but I would bet money they looked a lot like the trades Al Avila was falling for and became the laughingstock of baseball over.

So, I guess in the end, the answer would have been for Harris to thread the needle perfectly and get the deadline exactly right, such as trading for O'Hearn but passing on Suarez; or somehow getting the Twins to send us Duran while we pass on pundit favorite Helsley. As it was, Harris scored huge with Finnegan, but all anyone will be talking about is how he failed tonight.

In the final analysis, no matter what he does, Harris sucks. That's the nature of his job, I guess. As for what I think about it, all I know is this: Scott Harris has gotten us to back-to-back LDSes well ahead of schedule. And I'm going to trust that he's going to continue to move us forward, until he proves to me that he isn't. And when that happens, I'll get big mad at him, just like everyone else is doing now. But until then, I'm going to look at 2024 and 2025 as a bonus and not a birthright, and I look forward to seeing what's in store for us in 2026. And I will go out on a limb and bet that Harris surprises us by demonstrating that we are not just another Tampa Bay Rays after all.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

What are Mariners fans chanting every time Suarez is up?  Is it simply "Eugenio"? 

It may sound like that. But what they're actually chanting is "Scott Harris should made a trade at the deadline for a right handed bat". It sounds similar to Eugino, so I understand the confusion. 

[lordstanley]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

Why were Mariners fans singing Jack White’s song?

Driving home last night I was listening to the Lithium station (1990s alt rock) on Sirius XM and after Alice in Chain’s Don’t Follow and Pearl Jam’s Corduroy were played I felt like hearing them again. So I pulled them both up on Spotify and listened to those two songs a couple times more. I know Eddie Vedder is a big Cubs fan and is from Illinois but I consider AIC and Pearl Jam to be Seattle bands. So it was like Detroit came to town and took the victory in the opening game and now we are taking your songs too, lol. 

Edited October 6 by lordstanley

[oblong]

I know the lithium channel very well. Madison is my pretend girlfriend.  

[IdahoBert]

6 hours ago, chasfh said:

Nicely answered. I'm not sure how we can go back in time and draft Wyatt Langford with so clear a 20-20 hindsight crystal ball at our disposal ...

I think Harris might have been looking at the disaster that Avila left behind and figured, reasonably so, that we would not have had the horses in house to support Skubal during his remaining 3-1/2 years (at the time) with the team; that we could not have bought our way to immediate contention with either money or the prospect capital we had at hand; and that by the time we could have built up to a level of contender that a front-liner like Skubal could headline, he would be choosing from among multiple offers from Big Six teams.

So, in a way, our contending way ahead of schedule kind of ****ed up that part of the plan. Who knew when Scott Harris came aboard that we were going to win well into October the very next year with guys like Javy and McKinstry and Wenceel and Carpenter and Parker Meadows and a bunch of waiver wire and one-year guys leading the way—and hell, with even Tork? No one in August, 2023 could have foreseen that. So it made sense that we were planning on building more slowly than that, and would probably have to start fielding the winning Tiger teams with Skubal already having a foot out the door. I think that would have been a fact of life most of us would have accepted up to and including July of 2024.

But then, out of nowhere, we start winning and surprise the whole baseball world last year—so why not throw all the chips onto the table and go for broke, 2025 or bust? That's what Dombrowski would have done, right? Damn right that's what he would have done. And that's fine if all anyone cares about is 2025, and that the following year is for 2026 us to worry about. But that's not how Harris, and now Baby Doc Ilitch, see things. They know stuff fans generally don't, such as, there was no chance on god's green earth Shohei Ohtani and Juan Soto were ever going to come to Detroit. Heck, you even said yourself that we tried our damnedest to get Bregman, who's clearly a cut below Ohtani/Soto, fielding the best offer by far, and he still wouldn't come to Detroit. Now multiple that by every top-tier free agent of the last ten years. And we don't know what what kind of trades Harris has been turning down that past two years, but I would bet money they looked a lot like the trades Al Avila was falling for and became the laughingstock of baseball over.

So, I guess in the end, the answer would have been for Harris to thread the needle perfectly and get the deadline exactly right, such as trading for O'Hearn but passing on Suarez; or somehow getting the Twins to send us Duran while we pass on pundit favorite Helsley. As it was, Harris scored huge with Finnegan, but all anyone will be talking about is how he failed tonight.

In the final analysis, no matter what he does, Harris sucks. That's the nature of his job, I guess. As for what I think about it, all I know is this: Scott Harris has gotten us to back-to-back LDSes well ahead of schedule. And I'm going to trust that he's going to continue to move us forward, until he proves to me that he isn't. And when that happens, I'll get big mad at him, just like everyone else is doing now. But until then, I'm going to look at 2024 and 2025 as a bonus and not a birthright, and I look forward to seeing what's in store for us in 2026. And I will go out on a limb and bet that Harris surprises us by demonstrating that we are not just another Tampa Bay Rays after all.

Yes. This makes a lot of sense, This upsurge came way ahead of schedule. No one including Scott Harris predicted it, nor we the band snapping back on us with such ferocity. 

[Shinzaki]

6 hours ago, oblong said:

I know the lithium channel very well. Madison is my pretend girlfriend.  

A driver is heading east at 35 mph..a second driver is heading west at 50 mph.  Both are listening to Madison on Sirius/XM.

How long will it take each driver to slam into a bridge abutment to end their misery? 

[monkeytargets39]

Comerica bought out by 5th/3rd bank

 

Can’t wait to hear the new stadium abomination of a name.

[gehringer_2]

4 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

Comerica bought out by 5th/3rd bank

 

Can’t wait to hear the new stadium abomination of a name.

I wonder if this will be the end the marketing fallacy that Comerica has a 100yr legacy in Detroit when all they did was buy their way in.

Edited October 6 by gehringer_2

[oblong]

37 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

Comerica bought out by 5th/3rd bank

 

Can’t wait to hear the new stadium abomination of a name.

 

Known ballparks/stadiums with “Fifth Third” in the name

 

 

1. Fifth Third Field (Toledo, Ohio) — home of the Toledo Mud Hens.
2. Fifth Third Ballpark (Comstock Park, Michigan) — home of the West Michigan Whitecaps; was named that from ~2000 to 2021.
3. Fifth Third Field (Dayton, Ohio) — home of the Dayton Dragons; this was the name until 2019.
4. Fifth Third Bank Ballpark (Geneva, Illinois) — home of the Kane County Cougars; had that name for some period.
5. Fifth Third Park (Spartanburg, South Carolina) — newly built (opened in 2025) for the Hub City Spartanburgers.

 

[diaspora04]

34 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

I wonder if this will be the end the marketing fallacy that Comerica has a 100yr legacy in Detroit when all they did was buy their way in.

What is the remaining term of the current naming rights contract?

[CMRivdogs]

39 minutes ago, diaspora04 said:

What is the remaining term of the current naming rights contract?

Comerica holds the naming rights thru the 2034 season

[Tenacious D]

1 hour ago, diaspora04 said:

What is the remaining term of the current naming rights contract?

I was involved when Comiskey became U.S. Cellular Field--typically there are out clauses for acquisitions and mergers.  I think Fifth Third could get out if they wanted.

[Screwball]

The Tigers hitting approach at the plate looks like a bunch of drunk 10 year olds playing Wiffle ball in the dark under a full moon.

[oblong]

9 hours ago, chasfh said:

Nicely answered. I'm not sure how we can go back in time and draft Wyatt Langford with so clear a 20-20 hindsight crystal ball at our disposal ...

I think Harris might have been looking at the disaster that Avila left behind and figured, reasonably so, that we would not have had the horses in house to support Skubal during his remaining 3-1/2 years (at the time) with the team; that we could not have bought our way to immediate contention with either money or the prospect capital we had at hand; and that by the time we could have built up to a level of contender that a front-liner like Skubal could headline, he would be choosing from among multiple offers from Big Six teams.

So, in a way, our contending way ahead of schedule kind of ****ed up that part of the plan. Who knew when Scott Harris came aboard that we were going to win well into October the very next year with guys like Javy and McKinstry and Wenceel and Carpenter and Parker Meadows and a bunch of waiver wire and one-year guys leading the way—and hell, with even Tork? No one in August, 2023 could have foreseen that. So it made sense that we were planning on building more slowly than that, and would probably have to start fielding the winning Tiger teams with Skubal already having a foot out the door. I think that would have been a fact of life most of us would have accepted up to and including July of 2024.

But then, out of nowhere, we start winning and surprise the whole baseball world last year—so why not throw all the chips onto the table and go for broke, 2025 or bust? That's what Dombrowski would have done, right? Damn right that's what he would have done. And that's fine if all anyone cares about is 2025, and that the following year is for 2026 us to worry about. But that's not how Harris, and now Baby Doc Ilitch, see things. They know stuff fans generally don't, such as, there was no chance on god's green earth Shohei Ohtani and Juan Soto were ever going to come to Detroit. Heck, you even said yourself that we tried our damnedest to get Bregman, who's clearly a cut below Ohtani/Soto, fielding the best offer by far, and he still wouldn't come to Detroit. Now multiple that by every top-tier free agent of the last ten years. And we don't know what what kind of trades Harris has been turning down that past two years, but I would bet money they looked a lot like the trades Al Avila was falling for and became the laughingstock of baseball over.

So, I guess in the end, the answer would have been for Harris to thread the needle perfectly and get the deadline exactly right, such as trading for O'Hearn but passing on Suarez; or somehow getting the Twins to send us Duran while we pass on pundit favorite Helsley. As it was, Harris scored huge with Finnegan, but all anyone will be talking about is how he failed tonight.

In the final analysis, no matter what he does, Harris sucks. That's the nature of his job, I guess. As for what I think about it, all I know is this: Scott Harris has gotten us to back-to-back LDSes well ahead of schedule. And I'm going to trust that he's going to continue to move us forward, until he proves to me that he isn't. And when that happens, I'll get big mad at him, just like everyone else is doing now. But until then, I'm going to look at 2024 and 2025 as a bonus and not a birthright, and I look forward to seeing what's in store for us in 2026. And I will go out on a limb and bet that Harris surprises us by demonstrating that we are not just another Tampa Bay Rays after all.

I agree with you.  Harris and team have a plan and a system and this group of players are maxing out but he’s not going to upend his plan to build around them.   Their record speaks for itself and they deserve all the credit and the coaches too. But of last nights starting lineup 2/3 of those players won’t be here in 2028. 

[Sports_Freak]

10 hours ago, oblong said:

My day off tomorrow would have been a lot more enjoyable with a win.  6 weeks ago I picked these 3 days to burn assuming I’d be recovering from home games Saturday and Sunday.  Now I get to go to two games. Relieves the pressure to find something “fun” to do.  

I didn't know how early the games would be in Detroit. 4;00 and 3:00 start times. Maybe Seattle will be sleepy....😅😅

[oblong]

If Toronto wins game 3 then Wednesday game moves later. 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said:

Comerica holds the naming rights thru the 2034 season

Another interesting question is how the Tigers would feel if 5/3 wants to keep the rights but the Tigers aren't thrilled about COPA being re-labeled like a bunch of minor league parks. I suppose if the check is big enough.....

[oblong]

18 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Another interesting question is how the Tigers would feel if 5/3 wants to keep the rights but the Tigers aren't thrilled about COPA being re-labeled like a bunch of minor league parks. I suppose if the check is big enough.....

Well the org was ok with the worst chain store pizza donning their hockey arena… $$.  

[oblong]

Seriously the worst thing about LCA is making the staff wear those hideous orange shirts. It looks like Chuck E. Cheese.  At the Palace the ushers worse elegant blazers that looked regal.  At baseball games I didn’t mind because it went with team colors.  Really clashes at pistons games as people tend to dress nicer at those. Hockey fans are already wearing loud sweaters and jerseys.  

[Edman85]

Here in Jax, the Jaguars stadium renamed when its naming rights holder got purchased. 

[Biff Mayhem]

12 hours ago, oblong said:

I know the lithium channel very well. Madison is my pretend girlfriend.  

Best host on Sirius hands down. Rachel Steele has that super sultry voice which is so enticing. She could mesmerize the male species reading the dictionary. 

[Tenacious D]

1 hour ago, Biff Mayhem said:

Best host on Sirius hands down. Rachel Steele has that super sultry voice which is so enticing. She could mesmerize the male species reading the dictionary. 

She’s no Larry the Duck

#firstwave #channel44

[Biff Mayhem]

45 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

She’s no Larry the Duck

#firstwave #channel44

I don’t know who does the bumpers on Lithium but she’s great as well.