08/06/2026 4:10p EDT Detroit Tigers vs Seattle Mariners

[casimir]

[NorthWoods]

Really need to win.

[casimir]

Might as well win the series.

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, casimir said:

Fister was one of those guys I'd hoped could stick for a while, but he just sort of fell off a cliff at 30. 

[CaliforniaDreaming]

I want the good Framber this game.

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, casimir said:

"I hardly knew her ..."

[chasfh]

36 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Fister was one of those guys I'd hoped could stick for a while, but he just sort of fell off a cliff at 30. 

Seventeen WAR in four years and not a single All-Star appearance. Talk about unappreciated.

[chasfh]

21 minutes ago, CaliforniaDreaming said:

I want the good Framber this game.

I wonder whether Framber will do better now that he is securely the Big Dog? We'll see ...

[kdog]

Can't be worse than 6-3 on the road trip. This game will be tough with Miller vs Framber.

[chasfh]

6 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Seventeen WAR in four years and not a single All-Star appearance. Talk about unappreciated.

So, asked Claude to find me all the pitchers in the post-expansion era who had 16 or better RA9-WAR across four straight seasons without an All-Star Game during that stretch. There were 22, and here's the list:

NEVER MADE AN ALL-STAR GAME (22 pitchers) — Fister's true peers:

Pitcher	Window	Total	Y1	Y2	Y3	Y4
Bill Hands	1967–70	22.63	3.5	4.7	8.6	5.8
John Tudor	1983–86	22.57	3.4	4.4	10.0	4.8
Charlie Leibrandt	1985–88	20.80	6.7	3.4	5.7	5.0
Alex Fernandez	1993–96	20.43	6.4	3.2	3.7	7.0
Dennis Leonard	1977–80	20.00	6.8	5.0	3.5	4.7
Tom Candiotti	1988–91	19.38	4.8	4.6	3.0	7.0
Dave Goltz	1976–79	19.32	2.6	6.3	6.4	4.0
Kyle Hendricks	2016–19	19.22	6.7	4.3	4.2	3.9
Jim Barr	1973–76	18.53	3.1	6.1	5.4	3.9
Ed Figueroa	1975–78	18.13	4.5	4.1	4.4	5.2
Bill Swift	1990–93	18.01	3.1	3.4	5.5	6.1
Doug Rau	1975–78	17.75	4.9	6.0	4.0	2.8
Mike Torrez	1975–78	17.74	5.4	5.6	3.4	3.3
Carlos Carrasco	2015–18	17.45	3.8	2.9	6.0	4.7
Mike Caldwell	1978–81	17.36	8.9	5.4	2.4	0.7
Jim Abbott	1991–94	17.18	6.9	5.8	2.1	2.3
Earl Wilson	1966–69	17.15	6.1	4.1	3.9	3.1
Doug Fister	2011–14	16.77	5.9	2.9	3.4	4.5
John Danks	2008–11	16.22	5.7	4.5	4.3	1.7
Aaron Harang	2004–07	16.10	1.4	4.2	4.9	5.6
Ismael Valdez	1995–98	16.08	4.4	4.2	5.4	2.2
Jeff Fassero	1995–98	16.00	1.9	5.4	5.0	3.8

 

[Tenacious D]

Big Fister fan.  The player, that is.

[Tiger337]

28 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I wonder whether Framber will do better now that he is securely the Big Dog? We'll see ...

Melton is the big dog now.  

[romad1]

The bench clearing situation over the beanings last night appear to be a recipe for Framber to do something bad.  Hopefully they have him doing serenity prayers or whatever to keep him cool. 

[NorthWoods]

39 minutes ago, chasfh said:

So, asked Claude to find me all the pitchers in the post-expansion era who had 16 or better RA9-WAR across four straight seasons without an All-Star Game during that stretch. There were 22, and here's the list:

NEVER MADE AN ALL-STAR GAME (22 pitchers) — Fister's true peers:

Pitcher	Window	Total	Y1	Y2	Y3	Y4
Bill Hands	1967–70	22.63	3.5	4.7	8.6	5.8
John Tudor	1983–86	22.57	3.4	4.4	10.0	4.8
Charlie Leibrandt	1985–88	20.80	6.7	3.4	5.7	5.0
Alex Fernandez	1993–96	20.43	6.4	3.2	3.7	7.0
Dennis Leonard	1977–80	20.00	6.8	5.0	3.5	4.7
Tom Candiotti	1988–91	19.38	4.8	4.6	3.0	7.0
Dave Goltz	1976–79	19.32	2.6	6.3	6.4	4.0
Kyle Hendricks	2016–19	19.22	6.7	4.3	4.2	3.9
Jim Barr	1973–76	18.53	3.1	6.1	5.4	3.9
Ed Figueroa	1975–78	18.13	4.5	4.1	4.4	5.2
Bill Swift	1990–93	18.01	3.1	3.4	5.5	6.1
Doug Rau	1975–78	17.75	4.9	6.0	4.0	2.8
Mike Torrez	1975–78	17.74	5.4	5.6	3.4	3.3
Carlos Carrasco	2015–18	17.45	3.8	2.9	6.0	4.7
Mike Caldwell	1978–81	17.36	8.9	5.4	2.4	0.7
Jim Abbott	1991–94	17.18	6.9	5.8	2.1	2.3
Earl Wilson	1966–69	17.15	6.1	4.1	3.9	3.1
Doug Fister	2011–14	16.77	5.9	2.9	3.4	4.5
John Danks	2008–11	16.22	5.7	4.5	4.3	1.7
Aaron Harang	2004–07	16.10	1.4	4.2	4.9	5.6
Ismael Valdez	1995–98	16.08	4.4	4.2	5.4	2.2
Jeff Fassero	1995–98	16.00	1.9	5.4	5.0	3.8

 

Couple of old Royals pitchers on there that used to torment the Tigers.   Poor Earl Wilson, #3 on the Tigers with McClain and Lolich ahead of him - made it hard to get award traction.

[Tiger337]

John Tudor had 10 shutouts in 1985.  Seven of them came after the allstar game.  

Edited August 6 by Tiger337

[monkeytargets39]

27 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

John Tudor had 10 shutouts in 1985.  Seven of them came after the allstar game.  

I read this as John Titor and had flash backs to the time traveler

[IdahoBert]

Man as a kid I just loved Earl Wilson. His stories about suffering segregation in Florida during spring training, not being able to use bathrooms or get food, and how coming to Detroit was such an epiphany for him. One of my favorite players.

[romad1]

1 minute ago, IdahoBert said:

Man as a kid I just loved Earl Wilson. His stories about suffering segregation in Florida during spring training, not being able to use bathrooms or get food, and how coming to Detroit was such an epiphany for him. One of my favorite players.

Yeah, tough to go on too much about all that without it getting political but...racism is weird. 

 

[kdog]

 

[kdog]

Speier suspended 3 games(pending appeal)...Dan Wilson suspended one game..

[kdog]

Framber could hit a few guys today and it might not be intentional.

[kdog]

Gards ball getting swept at home by the Mets is 2025 Tigers core.

[Sports_Freak]

Watching the Mets pound Cleveland. The Guardians aren't playing very well. I don't know where their defense is ranked but they're making a lot of mistakes. On the bases and on defense. They look....like a 4th place team.

[NorthWoods]

Kill Framber Kill

[Sports_Freak]

August 6th. Too early to scoreboard watch? Too bad. 😁😁   The Tigers could tie Baltimore and also go a half game up on Seattle with a win. We're gonna win the Central, aren't we?