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I beg to differ. Talk is cheap. If you are not willing to DO something to change the availability of guns then by definition are ARE OK with school shootings. You can make all the utopian noises you want about things that can never happen in practice: perfect law enforcement, perfect mental health support - and it's all garbage because we all know its just a deflection since none of those 'perfects' can or will ever happen. That's reality. The rest is bullshit. Rob is exactly correct.

"I've seen the postings and the damage done A little bit of them from everyone But every forum's like the setting sun..."

I could agree with Picture ID only in the narrow circumstance that (1) state-issued ID is free; and (2) the state proactively delivers ID to every eligible voter in the state, as opposed to requiring people have to schlepp anywhere and jump through any number of bureaucratic hoops to have to pick it up themselves. Also, to do it right, a state would not be able implement their voter ID requirement until the Federal Elections Commission had reviewed their situation and ensured that every eligible voter had been delivered their required voting ID. Of course, the devil is in the execution here. I can see any number of states failing to carry out the obligation adequately, or challenging the proactivity or free aspects of it in court, essentially, having to give it away for free. But my point of view is, if the left have to compromise in order to address a phantom problem, then the right at least has to implement universal free ID delivery.

Again, passing on a bad QB is better than drafting Mitch Trubisky in the top 3. Some of the best QB’s in this league were taken outside the top 5. A bunch were even taken outside the top 10. That happens when consistently terrible teams draft their bad QB in previous years and pass on the good QBs because they have their guy.

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Idiots. Covid was the #1 killer of cops. Not BLM. Not Colin Kaepernick. Something can protect them that costs nothing. But carry on as if your issues have nothing to do with race.

I know that it is PC to say "I of course respect the right of each individual to decide for themselves about their own health care, and whether or not to receive a vaccine". Well, I don't, not for a minute. They are idiots who are endangering the general population. I have read more than one opinion piece debating whether or not the unvaccinated should have to pay for their own hospitalization (it's free here).

And as the flames climbed high into the night To light the sacrificial rite I saw Satan laughing with delight The day the music died

Long time lurker here! I figured since I can't lurk at the old site anymore (booooooooo), then I might as well create an account and lurk here!

Hadn't gotten around to changing my home page and was sad to see the gambling website today. I have lurked for a very long time and was happy to find this site to continue. Who runs the MotownSports Facebook page? If someone has access may want to put a note sending people here. It's the second link for me when I google motownsports.

there's a significant subset of GOP voters who think having to wear masks is about "living in fear" and "denies our freedom" and is "tyranny", yet they are just fine with kids having to do school shooting lockdown drills, metal detectors, etc. because the right to bear arms is "the price of freedom". So yeah.... people that are ok with that are bad people. People that dismiss things like Sandy Hook as just an unfortunate result of a good policy can suck the big one. They are bad people. Sandy Hook is the precise moment I shifted from the GOP because I learned they are ok with the slaughter of children as long as it means they get to accumulate all the firearms they want whenever they want. They just fucking brushed it off. Don't bother trying to engage in a gun control debate with me. I've heard it all before and nothing you say on the subject matters or changes a thing.

Conservatives: Spend decades passing "right to work" laws that allow for companies to fire people for whatever reason. Also Conservatives: Get fired for not getting vaccinated Also Conservatives: Call it tyranny

I love finding old stuff like Highland Appliance commercials on You Tube. I still quote those commercials 40 years later and only people my age have any idea................"50 watts per channel, Babycakes", "Popcorn's really tender tonight, dear", "Johnathan can't come out and play right now, he's practicing the piano" and my all-time favorite "Sound great, Hackett? Yippee".

OK, I’ll start with some proactive advice. Don’t you just love going to a dealer to buy a new car, seeing one you want, and then spending hours or even days wrestling with any number of salespeople and their managers for the adversarial purpose of trying to wring every last dollar out of each other? Yeah, me neither. Last time I did that was over, of all things, a Honda Accord. I remember it taking over an hour at the end trying to get the guy under $19,000, they’re trying to keep me well above that, managers are shuttling in and out of the room to combat me, and we settle on $19,050. I walked away with my stomach in knots. One of my worst purchase experiences ever. The next time I bought a car, I decided that rather than going through that nonsense again, instead of working in person with a dealer on a car I see on the lot, I decided to determine the exact car I want first, then bid that car out to multiple dealers. First step: “build” the car you want, down to each individual option, then determine the MSRP and Invoice cost on the car. You can do that fairly easily online at a few different websites. Next, develop a list of dealers to bid the car out to. You should probably plan to contact at least ten to start; more depending on how ambitious you are. Make an initial phone call (not email) to the new car sales manager and tell them, I am definitely buying a car in the next few weeks, I’m contacting several dealers and will go with the one that gives me the best price, and do you want to participate? At least 80% of them will say yes, many of them eagerly. Then ask for their email address. After you have the list of participants in hand, email an identical letter to each one: I am ready to buy a car, I’m asking for proposals from a number of dealers, and I will buy from the dealer who gives me the best price. Here’s the car I want, and list out every option, all with their Invoice and MSRP, along with the totals for the whole car, so they know that you know what their costs are. Also tell them you’re aware of whatever buyer incentives there are, and to NOT factor those into the final price. Also, if you can afford to, tell them you are NOT offering them a trade-in, since they can manipulate their bid based on that. Try to keep the trade-in part separate from the purchase part. Then tell them that after you get all the first bids from everyone, you will report the best bid to all participants and give them just one shot at beating that price. Tell them that second-round bid will be final, and that you will contact the winner at that point to finalize the deal, discuss financing, and arrange to sign paperwork. You don't want to go back to the well more than twice, because that's unseemly and leaves a bad taste with them. (When you do move into the second round, start with the highest bid dealer and work backwards to the best bid dealer, so that the best bid gets better as you move toward the initial first round best bid.) Then, and this is important: be sure to follow through exactly on this plan. Do this only if you are 100% certain you are buying car. Otherwise, they’ll remember you next time you try this and it might not work so well. I’ve bought my last four cars using this method and not only have I saved thousands of dollars each time, but as importantly, I’ve avoided the knots in my stomach from the angst of going back and forth with an adversary much better trained and more experienced to do so than I could ever be. After all, you negotiate with a dealer only once every few years—they do it as their job every single day. Try this next time you buy a car. You won't regret it.

More importantly, of course, he had a 58 OPS+ this year and 73 lifetime.

I agree, ESPECIALLY with the pitcher batting next...thankfully the pitcher just struck out and did not hit an inning ending grounder to short

Trump was telling people what they wanted to hear and he followed through on a good many of those things. Kasich is a moderate and an idiot. Rubio didn't have the right message and would have been another do nothing POTUS. A lot of Americans were looking for a President that would do something different and work for the American people. Trump came along at the right time with the right message. As much as everyone here doesn't like him he still did a lot while in office, far more than Biden has done in 47 years and will ever do. And he did big things...biggly if it makes you feel better. He cracked down on illegal immigration, stopped the flow of people from terror supporting countries that hate us, stood up to Iran and got us out of that horrible so called nuclear deal Obama got us in although he didn't get the cash back, He didn't get us in any new wars, tax cuts, economy was booming before covid and unemployment at an all time low, peace in the Mideast that nobody has been able to accomplish and a few other things. Now Biden and democrats are in charge and everything has gone back to crap. How is that progress? Its not and it obvious these democrats are not working for the American people. America needs another President with the ideas that Trump had but that person needs to have a better delivery, know how to talk to people and most importantly, know when to shut up.

I just want the postseason to be over so the wheeling and dealing can begin. The postseason for me is an unwanted interruption of our Sherman‘s march to the sea.

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When we moved 3 years ago, our insurance went thru the roof. I finally did something about it this summer. I took a copy of the dec page from our then current insurer & sent it to the new one. I said I want this policy, exactly. Tell me now much & I'll tell you whether you got a deal. They came in at less than half the price. I was thrilled. Fast forward 4 months - I get a notice from my credit union, who told me about this insurer, & they say we can't accept this policy because it doesn't include comp & collision. Now I realize it's my own fault - I should have read it better & asked the right questions - but I know for a fact I had comp & collision. Now I have to once again shop around. I hate this so much.

This team is garbage and the front office/coaching staff should just accept that and keep the assets they have. Trading a draft pick for another mediocre or bum WR is going to do nothing this year and would be a stupid decision. This years' team is a lost cause and is not worth salvaging. Pile of the draft assets and stay focused on the future.

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I understand this POV, but isn't the design of our system part of the problem? We have an antiquated system of elections which is both a "first past the post" system and one dependent on a system that assigns electors based on states rather than popular vote. Which, theoretically, if neither candidate wins the majority of said electors, ends up being decided by Congress You couldn't possibly design a system of government more likely to encourage less viable choices for voters to choose from if you tried. But at the same time, many who complain about having to choose the lesser of two evils (particularly on the right) tend not to want to look at the flaws that bring us to this place.

You don't know who anyone voted for in person either since all votes are private.

The MSU job has become the battle of the mortgage company billionaires. CFB has really taken a turn toward the swamp. Or, maybe it was always a swamp and now the lights are on.

who's going to be Neil Young and write a great song about it that produces even greater covers by the likes of DMB and Warren Haynes...

Found it! In the top header under the site logo, hover over the word "Activity." In the menu of options that pops up when hovering over that word, look for the option titled "Search." When you click that and go to the search page, you can do a member search. https://www.motownforums.com/search/

If you follow Tim Nichols on twitter, that’s basically his mantra.

I disagree with that. He was broadcasting his request for that in December. He gave a speech that said "be tough" (in code: go use violence to help me remain in power). He absolutely incited the riot. They only came there because he asked them to...

I have an armchair theory for you: If the police were charged with confiscating illegal firearms after a handgun ban in America, a high percentage of cops would focus their efforts on people in communities they have no respect for, and would completely look the other way when it came to people they are simpatico with.

It's all about the fundraising emails. Like the TV preachers all he wants is for vulnerable old people to send him money. When they do that they often don't realize they have to uncheck a box to make sure their donations are not reoccurring.

He is all about money and attention. I think that is why he originally ran for President and I don't think he even expected to win. I agree he has no morals or ethics and does not give a shit about the country, but I don't think he is capable of engineering a fascist dictatorship. That would require him to think beyond himself of which he is incapable. I don't even think he incited the riot. He 100% knew about it ahead of time and fully supported it, but the idea and planning came from elsewhere.

Well you had football games to play............

and - He doesn't care if there is a fascist takeover as long as they book at Mar-a-lago and let him have the White House back again.

I still don't think he is engineering a fascist takeover. I think he is all about money and popularity as he has been his whole life. There could certainly be people who are using him for nefarious aims.

When I look out and see that big number 44 embedded in the outfield turf, it seems pretty obvious that the Braves are not a racist organization. There will always be people looking for something to claim offense over. And whenever they do, they will usually find something that suits them. To me the real shame is the number of people insistent upon continuing to inject their politics into sports. If the Braves can win one game in LA, I'll be happy.

The passing of Colin Powell reminds me that I was a real fan of his in the Clinton years. Colin Powell, military leader and first Black US secretary of state, dies after complications from Covid-19 - CNNPolitics RIP General

for the second time probably ever I agree with Trump. Don't vote Republicans. Don't vote. Stay at home. (the other time was shortening sentences for non-violent drug offenders).

He never says anything directly, not even during his presidency. He sends out clear signals to his two groups of supporters, the ignorant populists who worship him and the extreme right wingers who use him. He reaches both groups quite well.

I can think of three of these long term pre-arb extensions that haven't worked out, out of the dozens that have happened. (Singleton, Kingery, Tabata). There is some risk, but it is the smart thing to do if Tork and Greene are amenable to it. They are about as low risk as prospects who haven't hit the bigs get. Worst comes to worst, they are okay players you are on the hook for 5-6 years down the road. Take Ronald Acuna for example 2019: $1M 2020: $1M 2021: $5M 2022: $15M 2023: $17M 2024: $17M 2025: $17M 2026: $17M 2027: $17M option ($10M buyout) 2028: $17M option The AAV on the deal comes out to $12.5M (the buyout on the option in 2027 plays into this, if you are checking my math) so the Braves take a $11.5M hit on the luxury tax in 2019-2020 when they aren't likely to be paying it to save $4.5M against it in 2023-2026 when their players may be getting expensive or they need to hit free agency. Also, due to the way the buyouts work, his CBT number in 2027 is $7M that year. There are several examples of this. Chris Sale: the White Sox did this with him and were able to get Yoan Moncada for him. Why? Because his CBT number was low and the Red Sox were up against the CBT cap. The Tigers went year to year with guys and it killed them when they got good. Bear in mind the competitive balance tax is not just a tax on the owner, draft pick compensation is affected (why the Tigers got a pile of scraps for JD Martinez, because they were only getting a 4th rounder for him), as are the competitive balance draft picks and international bonus pool.

Socialism bails out capitalism yet again

It does suck when you build something and you have to see the people that follow you not care about it. Been there.

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