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With the exception of one person, the people in this thread have something on the degree of 0.01% of the information that the people who made these picks have. Really really harsh draft day opinions are a symptom of hanging out on the left side of the Dunning Kruger chart.

For me it's a matter of degree. Criticism is fine and that's the nature of being a fan. An irrational fanatic. The ups and downs and bipolar nature of hating the team one minute and loving them the next. For me the line is crossed when some act like they are indeed an educated contemporary of these front office people rather than must baseless speculating. Putting on a headset and recording a podcast in a planet fitness may visually give off an aura of inside dope but that's just window dressing. That person is no different than a guy at the barber shop who calls into 97.1 the ticket. And with the MLB draft being such a crapshoot it offers the chance for broken clock syndrome. A player either works out or they don't. Most don't.

They could be birthmarks.

With his final season at the All-Star break, where does Miguel Cabrera rank historically? He is... 22nd in MLB history in hits with 3128. He needs 14 more to pass Tony Gwynn for 21st. 8th in team history in hits with 2286. He needs 80 more to pass Alan Trammell for 7th. 27th in MLB history in home runs with 508. He needs 2 more to pass Gary Sheffield for 26th. 3rd in team history in home runs with 370. He needs 4 more to pass Norm Cash for 2nd. 13th in MLB history in RBI with 1861. He needs 49 more to pass Willie Mays for 12th. 5th in team history in RBI with 1338. He needs 90 more to pass Charlie Gehringer for 4th. 14th in MLB history in doubles with 617. He needs 8 more to pass Hank Aaron for 13th. 5th in team history in doubles with 434. He needs 64 more to pass Harry Heilmann for 4th. 15th in MLB history in total bases with 5303. He needs 7 more to pass Adrian Beltre for 14th. 4th in team history in total bases with 3844. He needs 414 more to pass Charlie Gehringer for 3rd. 61st in MLB history in runs scored with 1540. He needs 5 more to pass Manny Ramirez for 60th. 9th in team history in runs scored with 1091. He needs 25 more to pass Sam Crawford for 8th. 56th in MLB history in walks with 1248. He needs 2 more to pass Ty Cobb for 55th. 7th in team history in walks with 926. He needs 100 more to pass Norm Cash for 6th. 9th in MLB history in intentional walks with 238. He needs 9 more to pass Ken Griffey Jr. for 8th. 1st in team history in intentional walks with 168. 15th in MLB history in extra base hits with 1142. He needs 10 more to pass Adrian Beltre for 14th. 4th in team history in extra base hits with 811. He needs 93 more to pass Charlie Gehringer for 3rd.

You should see his mom

It's been discussed a lot in the past, but there's probably some value in waiting until later rounds to draft pitchers given the injury risk associated with them. Especially if, as an org, you believe in your believe in your ability to draft and develop them.

Jim Price is going to go nuts with the buggy whip now....

============================= I feel like this nails the mentality we’ve alluded to…

All that matters is who will be the better player down the road. Timeline doesn't matter. When we go back and look at old drafts, what do we look at? Were the players good? Maybe the Tigers cashed them in for a Hall of Famer (Miller/Maybin)? We've just got to take the long view on it, and a lot of this stuff about handedness/timeline/position/college vs. high school just doesn't matter.

I knew a kid named Titsworth in school. As you can imagine that kid never heard the end of it. "Hey Jim, How much are you tits worth?"

Been paying so much attention to this that I missed the news about Debrincat being signed. Fun night in Detroit sports!

Stevie Y putting on a GM clinic. Amazing.

Seems like a good kid, happy to be a Tiger Godspeed!

Its Peggy Noonan. You know she wrote it with a quill whilst drinking an invigorating tea

Right. Like the outcome any individual baseball game, the outcome of any single pick is strongly random, only weakly predictable Harris said it best when he said that a lot of the very best bats never get to college - our own Riley being an example. Of course everyone matures physically at a different rate and sure even some all stars will not have shown (or just didn't have the chance to show) their batting ability at 18, but OTOH, in the history of baseball the fact stands out when you look at HOF hitters is how many of them were already showing their ability younger than other players and were able to get to the majors at young ages. If you take a bias against HS hitters you're playing with one hand tied behind your back. And again, it all goes back the the eyeballs and evaluation skills you are putting on these players. If you need that year or two of film and counting stats to be confident in your scouting, then absolutely stick with college players. Better that than misses. But if you assemble the skill in your org and are making the huge time and money investment needed to scout prep players deeply, there is enough reward there to make it profitable despite the increased risks. The same being true on the international side where you have to look at even younger players. And we don't even know yet if Harris has that kind of team in place or is just whistling in the dark!

Yeah it's OK if the shortstop you draft can actually play shortstop.

I actually like it if they aren't falling into the trap of looking at every SS prospect in the reflection of Alex Rodriguez. Teams keep spending their time looking for the next ARod and instead just keep getting guys they have to move off SS, sometimes even before they ever make the majors. It's OK if your SS doesn't hit 30 bombs/yr - really.

McGonigle was drafted as a SS... McGonigle's well-rounded skill set makes him a high-probability big leaguer, perhaps more likely to play some kind of big league role than any other high school player in the 2023 class. As impressive as McGonigle's physical tools are — he has plus bat-to-ball ability, surprising power for his size, and a plus arm — his on-field acumen and fundamentals also carry a ton of weight. He has fantastic baseball feel and instincts, a well-calibrated internal clock at shortstop, and he appears laser focused and competitive between the lines. He'll be just shy of age 19 on draft day and is physically maxed out (or close to it), but unless you're fearful that his present physicality is an indicator that he'll eventually be too bulky to move around on the middle infield, McGonigle is a slam dunk shortstop with enough contact ability and plate discipline to project as an everyday player. His age and frame temper his long-term power projection, but McGonigle is currently strong enough to do doubles damage in both gaps and drop the bat head to golf out some pull-side homers. He lacks the upside of some of its other hitters, but he's as bankable a big league role player as there is in this class.

there is a certain logic to taking HS bats and college pitchers - but only if you can put eyes on those prep hitters who have some serious skill at analyzing what they are seeing. If Harris has those people in place now then the strategy will pay off with more upside on the results. If he doesn't - it's gonna be more long summers. But we might as well be optimistic now and enjoy that the sky is still the limit as long as the new FO honeymoon lasts. One a related note, I saw some comments from Gabe Alvarez (Erie manager) about Bigbie. The interesting thing is that Gabe said that Bigbie is only challenging to be a more serious prospect now because he's a completely different hitter than he was when he was drafted, that the org has worked him through a total revamp. So maybe it's just coach speak, but OTOH, how many years has this very issue i.e. whether the Tiger org had any clue about how to make hitters better or just sent them out there to play everyday and sink or swim on their own, been a hot topic wrt both the Dombrowski and Avila regimes?

SY didn’t bargain against himself with Ottawa and he didn’t bargain against himself with ADB. He got deals done with both on his terms and on his timeline. What a masterful job.

He needs the money for eye black.

I was expecting and hoping for Langford, but I really don't know enough about these guys to complain. I wanted a position player who has big offensive potential and Max Clark is that even if he is far away. Scouting report: Looks like a douche with the exaggerated eye black but has a great baseball name!

But the problem is he’s from Amish Indiana. So those 5 tools are butter churning, horse & buggy driving, beard growing, knitting, and barn raising. How is Hinch going to play chess with that?

The Tigers took more HS players than any other organization in the first 10 rounds. I liked the overall approach in this draft and there really weren't any wild selections either. Everything made sense.

the 'cork' season for short.

I WANT to be greedy!!! None of that gimme just one Tony Clark and I'm satisfied **** !!!

San Diego broke Draft Tracker

shows how many great hitters the tigers have had in their history.

seeing duren shoot from the elbow reminded me of antonio mcdyess. similar body too.

lol, oh randy. we'll get the #1 pick next year because there are no top players available. is this your first draft rodeo? lol.

Honestly, given how basically none of the experts nailed the first four picks in this years draft, it probably oughtta caution people about giving too much credence to rumors in general surrounding the draft In other words, when some Angels "insider" tweeted something about the Tigers considering Jacob Gonzalez from Ole Miss at 4, maybe it should have been taken with a few grains of salt. Or even the Kyle Teel talk.... often times, the stuff that gets circulated is out there for a reason, and it may be more cloak and dagger stuff than reality.

If we’re looking at this objectively, Clark looks like the better player. I think some, and I’m guilty, viewed Langford as an opportunity to accelerate our turnaround. Given where we’ve been the last 8 years, it’s understandable. However, as others have pointed out, Clark could end up on a similar timeline to an any college draftee and be the more complete player.

One of the ESPN senior writers had this to say.... Schoenfield: I actually love that the Tigers instead went with Clark. By all accounts, Clark is a 1-1 type of talent in another draft -- one that wasn't as top-loaded as this one -- and I think the upside over Langford is clear: Clark has a more well-rounded game thanks to his blazing speed and defense in center field. That's going to create a lot of added value that Langford, who is likely limited to an outfield corner, probably won't possess. Langford has more raw power, but give me the complete player.

I hope he can find another team that needs some MLB outfield help. I root for guys like him to hold on long enough to get their 10 years service time. He is approaching 9 years now, So he has his golden ticket, but needs another year plus to hit 10.

Speaking to the criticism that Clark could take longer to make it to the bigs over someone like Langford, this may be one of the biggest arguments in favor of taking him if, in fact, the Tigers had him ranked higher. The MLB Draft is fun to follow and is important, and you can't completely forget about how players fit into the longer term picture, but I'm not sure it's wise to pencil any of them into lineups 2-3 years down the road.... so if you have a player ranked higher that happens to be a high schooler, the fact that he's ranked higher should probably win out over any sort of shorter term considerations. Somewhat related, but listening to the first half of Cody and Friends podcast this AM, he did bring up the fact that Clark could be entering the bigs as Riley enters into arbitration / knocking on the door of free agency.... theoretically possible, but one suspects that if Riley plays like we think he's gonna play, a long term contract is a definite possibility. Probably the same with Tork, Skubal and others as well. So I get the concern, but it's not like their aren't avenues to ameliorate those concerns either.

I dont know that he's saying that having opinions are bad or we aren't allowed to have them, but rather that people often offer them without the qualification that they don't have all the information. That's less of a problem on this board, but across the rest of social media, just see a lot of opinions offered that appear to be more based on the conventional wisdom offered pre-draft interspersed with bollocks like "Scott Avila" (despite whatever misgivings people may have about the first three picks, it's not at all reminiscent of Avila as far as I can tell). Just lowest common denominator stuff

My favorite historical allegory was that Trump was The Bismark. It took a while for the British fleet to sink him but he eventually sunk and with him went Hitler's dream of a blue water navy.

PS: I also like the makings of our 4th line with Kostin-Veleno-Sprong...

Hmm, I heard him today and he never mentioned the name Max Clark.

So trading Bertuzzi at the deadline pays off. It means they got DeBrincat in exchange for 2 months of Bertuzzi, Debrango and Kubalik.

Kevin McGonigle. Didn't his mom put Harry Potter in detention?

The Book likes it

We'd get pick 4 and whatever pick we earn from this current season so likely we'd be looking at 2 top 5-10 picks. Still though I put the chances of him not signing at like 5% or less just based off of history. It happens here and there but very rarely, particularly since the new slotting system has been put in place.

in 2019, Marlins drafted JJ Bleday at 4 and Avila had to "settle" for Greene at 5. It is so hard to pass on a proven college performer for a HS player, but Marlins already moved on from JJ

What's not to understand?: It's not like Clark was rated 208th. He was in the top five of nearly everybody's board and has crazy high upside. Not to mention is a pretty good ballplayer projected to stay in center. Sure Lankford seem like the more obvious pick but Clark has the ceiling of a Betts while Lankford is probably Andrew McCutheon.

Woodsy! He just massacred that hill. All he wanted from this Tour was a stage win, and he got it. Chapeau!

On the other hand, it's a good weekend when you get results from Greene, Torkelson, Manning and Skubal.