oblong Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 I want to see those same people cheering the prayer ruling when the coach at Fordson in dearborn leads his players in a prayer to Allah. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 47 minutes ago, Edman85 said: I forget which podcast it was, but the coach did have an interesting backstory. Down and out, suicidal. I can see why religion would be important to him, and if he wants to pray, as long as it isn't compulsory for players to do so with him, that shouldn't be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 35 minutes ago, chasfh said: It is extremely difficult for a 16-year old boy to go against what his coach and teammates are doing. So, yeah, it is pretty much compulsory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chasfh Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Tiger337 said: It is extremely difficult for a 16-year old boy to go against what his coach and teammates are doing. So, yeah, it is pretty much compulsory The only ones who possibly could get away with it is either the indispensable star, which not every team has, or the worst players on the team who are already not getting playing time, because they’re on a short timers list anyway. Everyone else who’s on the playing time bubble basically must comply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said: This is only marginally less bad than the coach example since students don’t rely on teachers for playing time, but on the other hand, teachers can also come down on apostate pupils by grading them down on work that’s more subjective in nature, such as work requiring composition or interpretation. The other thing that can happen here is any pupil who opts out in public fashion could be setting themselves up for bullying by others, as well as creating problems for their parents once the news gets out. This will be especially relevant in small towns and rural areas, where everyone knows everyone else and local social status matters as an everyday concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, oblong said: I want to see those same people cheering the prayer ruling when the coach at Fordson in dearborn leads his players in a prayer to Allah. The other team: "Allahu Akbar!!! Allahu Akbar!!!" at the top of their lungs... I would love it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 33 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said: We are now in a... Full-throated theocracy. I'm an atheist. These MF'ers can go F themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: The other team: "Allahu Akbar!!! Allahu Akbar!!!" at the top of their lungs... I would love it!!! You'll get the attention of homeland security with that chant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said: You'll get the attention of homeland security with that chant. Too freaking bad. Freedom of speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: We are now in a... Full-throated theocracy. I'm an atheist. These MF'ers can go F themselves. This comment will be scraped and paired up with your PII for future reference. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: We are now in a... Full-throated theocracy. I'm an atheist. These MF'ers can go F themselves. One nation under god with liberty and justice for all who worship that one god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, Hongbit said: One nation under god with liberty and justice for all who worship that one god. And that god had BETTER NOT be named Yahweh, or Allah, or Brahman, or anything other than the Father of Jesus or... Woe Unto Thee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, chasfh said: This comment will be scraped and paired up with your PII for future reference. 😉 I haven't played video games in a long time (is that Playstation II or am I even FARTHER out of touch than I suspected...?) I'm thinking my IP address will be tagged and monitored though... Edited June 27, 2022 by 1984Echoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: I haven't played video games in a long time (is that Playstation II or am I even FARTHER out of touch than I suspected...?) I'm thinking my IP address will be tagged and monitored though... Eighty bucks can solve this problem for at least the next two years: https://nordvpn.com/pricing/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Just as an aside on the Coach/prayer ruling. I grew up with a fairly mainline religious background (Presbyterian with a slice of the Church of the Brethren) where I was basically taught that effective prayers are done in private. Anything else is just for show. I'm old enough to remember the ritual of the Pledge and Lord's Prayer every morning in school. When I was older I came to realize that reciting the same thing over and over cheapened it. We were spouting words that really had no meaning other than delaying the learning process after a while. I feel the same way now. Pray to what ever version of the Supreme Being you want, but make it personal. A bit more research on this guy shows that his prayers started this way, but then grew to the point that they made school officials feel uneasy. He could have just as easily moved from the 50 yard line to say under the bleachers or said a prayer inside the locker room if the players wanted to join. Instead he made an issue out of it and IMO invalidated any reason he had for prayer. Just as an aside I'm friends with a former associate who is an elected county official. A few years ago she raised issue with her governing board that meetings began with prayer. All clergy they bought in at the time were from a Christian denomination. It raised some hackles among long time board members. Fortunately she had enough support to bring in representatives from other religions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 our local city council meetings that I've attended open in a prayer and it's a diverse set of officials giving the prayer. I believe it's a rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 A while ago there was a big issue because the mayor authorized a prayer station at city hall. I forget how that turned out. I think it ultimately got removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 I don’t think any official government business should have any prayer attached to it, since we are technically a secular country, but that’s just a crazy idea I have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Levon Helm tells a story in his autobiography about going to elementary school in Arkansas in the late 40's and early 50's, and how every morning when attendance was being taken you had to stand up when your name was called, say your name, and then recite a complete verse from the Bible. It didn't take very long for someone to discover that this is a complete verse: "Jesus wept". Eventually about half of the class was doing that, saying their name and then "Jesus wept". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gehringer_2 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Jim Cowan said: Levon Helm tells a story in his autobiography about going to elementary school in Arkansas in the late 40's and early 50's, and how every morning when attendance was being taken you had to stand up when your name was called, say your name, and then recite a complete verse from the Bible. It didn't take very long for someone to discover that this is a complete verse: "Jesus wept". Eventually about half of the class was doing that, saying their name and then "Jesus wept". I'd have gone for II Samuel 11:4. That would have been fun in elementary school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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