AZTigersfan Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Way to battle back guys, so close and had a chance to win it with our best hitter. Oh well, win the next 2 and it’s all good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Skubal with a poor outing but our BP gave up 4 runs. We end up losing by 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klondike Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Adullin said: Haas let the team down Hasse doesn't give up 11 runs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adullin Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Klondike said: Hasse doesn't give up 11 runs 4-5 with bad defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Kind of cringed when Brieske walked the leadoff batter in the sixth (this isn't our usual bullpen) but not much choice when Skubal only goes four innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Skubal with a poor outing but our BP gave up 4 runs. We end up losing by 1. completely lost the breaking ball that inning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said: Is Dillon Dingler any good defensively? went to injured list recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 If Foley pitched the 8th it's probably a win. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: went to injured list recently. 7 day IL. Is that just for concussions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, Tigermojo said: 7 day IL. Is that just for concussions? think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klondike Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 13 minutes ago, Adullin said: 4-5 with bad defense I was inferring if he was behind the plate instead of left field, they wouldn't have given up 11 runs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) the only question about this one is why Hinch left Skubal in so long. It wasn't like KC was having BaBIP luck - Tarik couldn't throw a breaking ball for a strike and could hardly get his FB in the zone. In hindsight, if he had gone and gotten him a run or two sooner...... You assume that if they were still in a playoff chase he would have managed differently..... ...wait, what? Edited July 19, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) After all the unmade plays in LF in this one make you pine just a little bit more for Parker Meadows - who hit another double tonight. Edited July 19, 2023 by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 So.... Was this Torque's "coming out party"? Is he now a "bona fide" baseball player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: So.... Was this Torque's "coming out party"? Is he now a "bona fide" baseball player? The MLB Draft is hard: So far Spencer has more career HR than the rest of the top 30 draft picks from 2020 in their combined MLB careers. Actually only 4 other position players from the top 30 picks have made the majors that I could find: Nick Gonzales(7) - who's played only 20 MLB games but is starting at 2b now for the Pirates. Patrick Bailey(13) - now the Giants starting catcher, 44 games total-all this year. He's got the job because Joey Bart has been sent to AAA Garrett Mitchell(20) - Brewers catcher. He was called up last year, apparently won the job this year but promptly messed up his shoulder after 16 games and may be out for the season. Also 44 career games. Jordan Walker(21) is a starting OF for the Cards called up this year 55 games. 781 OPS so far. Edited July 19, 2023 by gehringer_2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) I understand dropping Marisnick for tomorrow but for this team this year we win tonight with outfielders playing the outfield and there will be others with Carpenter And Haase in the outfield. I would have liked to see an outfield of Greene Marisnick and Verling left to right. It would be a bit easier on Greenes leg also. But alas the mad chessman is free to pursue fielding flexibility in search of righty lefty match ups. Edited July 19, 2023 by SoCalTiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZTigersfan Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 5 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: The MLB Draft is hard: So far Spencer has more career HR than the rest of the top 30 draft picks from 2020 in their combined MLB careers. Actually only 4 other position players from the top 30 picks have made the majors that I could find: Nick Gonzales(7) - who's played only 20 MLB games but is starting at 2b now for the Pirates. Patrick Bailey(13) - now the Giants starting catcher, 44 games total-all this year. He's got the job because Joey Bart has been sent to AAA Garrett Mitchell(20) - Brewers catcher. He was called up last year, apparently won the job this year but promptly messed up his shoulder after 16 games and may be out for the season. Also 44 career games. Jordan Walker(21) is a starting OF for the Cards called up this year 55 games. 781 OPS so far. I never understood the Tork hate and this really puts it into perspective. Usually when a player get this much grief it’s because we passed on someone who’s absolutely crushing it. As you pointed out, that’s nowhere near the case. Last year should’ve been in Toledo, Tork was obviously rushed and wasn’t ready. I give him a mulligan and consider this his true rookie season. My expectations for him were 20+ home runs and and ops above 750. He is very much on the trajectory to achieve and even surpass those goals. I really hope people unclench about him, gain a little patience, and enjoy watching the progression continue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) I blame it on the unrealistic hype he got pre draft, he didn't come across as just a normal number 1 pick, he was being touted as a near generational bat so with descriptions like that people get unrealistic expectations. Edited July 19, 2023 by RandyMarsh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Tork is entertaining.... When be makes contact, he absolutely murders it. The hope is that contact becomes more frequent as he gains experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtrain72 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 If we ever see Haase in the outfield again, AJ deserves a bucket of tomatos thrown at him...and that's not even mentioning that Haase also cant hit🍅🍅🍅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZTigersfan Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: I blame it on the unrealistic hype he got pre draft, he didn't come across as just a normal number 1 pick, he was being touted as a near generational bat so with descriptions like that people get unrealistic expectations. Then they were duped by the superlatives thrown around every year about the top prospects. Look at the things they said about Crews, Skenes, and even Langford. That’s part of the reason people bemoaned the Clark pick. Not because Clark was a reach, which he wasn’t, but because the constant barrage on how Langford is a superstar. Watching Tork at ASU I figured he’d be a guy that hit around 250 (ops above 800) and add 30 to 40 homers a year. People expecting triple crown contention, the home run record, or whatever lofty expectations the built up in their heads, I just don’t know what to say to them. I guess I just will say that I wish the all the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, Dtrain72 said: If we ever see Haase in the outfield again, AJ deserves a bucket of tomatos thrown at him...and that's not even mentioning that Haase also cant hit🍅🍅🍅 Yes, Marisnick was even hitting better than Haase - though the hope is Haase breaks out. In the field nothing to compare. However, 26 man roster decisions are not just the manager - the GM may have as much, if not more to say about it. This happens more as we are always trying to 'mix and match' - seems Short and Haase have been quite non-productive hitting wise for awhile now (Short does play good D at a few positions and this has value). We could use some production. Not sure what it is with Haase - but because he can C and the Ps like him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, AZTigersfan said: ... Tork was ... My expectations for him were 20+ home runs and and ops above 750... 6 hours ago, AZTigersfan said: ... Watching Tork at ASU I figured he’d be a guy that hit around 250 (ops above 800) and add 30 to 40 homers a year... Wait... So which is it? As for myself, the scouting reports said he had an extremely high hit tool. And he proved that out in the minors. My expectations were multiple years hovering around .320 (even if his career was closer to .300-.310-ish), 30-40 homers with maybe a highpoint of 50+ somewhere, career 500-ish HR's, and high point years of .900-ish + OPS, even if career ended up closer to .850-ish. My expectations have not changed. Edited July 19, 2023 by 1984Echoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 PS: The reason I made my earlier comment last night: I also am annoyed with all the Tork-bashing. That comment was more aligned with: "Can we stop bashing him now?" then with "I might finally believe he belongs". That probably didn't come through, but that's what I meant. The reason I do NOT feel the need to bash him, even if he hasn't met my expectations: Is that I have patience. I know he's going through his learning curve. And I might even sound impatient or frustrated at times... because I believe he can (and will) do better. But I still believe he'll hit my higher expectations, even if he has to go through these growing pains. Still pleased he was our draftee. And just patiently waiting to see just how high he can get to before I need to reset any expectations that I might have... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, alex said: We could use some production. Not sure what it is with Haase - but because he can C and the Ps like him... Really begs the question of, if not Haase, who? His spot on this team is guaranteed at the moment by having the skill of catching. If Donnie Sands were hitting better in AAA, it would be one thing, but I suspect that they feel they can wait him out because he plays the position and the alternatives aren't exactly great either. Overall, I do think that given his issues with fielding coupled with his lack of hitting, he probably needs to stay behind home plate and not be put into the outfield going forward. That was ugly. Edited July 19, 2023 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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