Motown Bombers Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 minute ago, ben9753 said: Has anyone heard from Derrick Barnes? I'm still waiting to hear more on that one. I wonder if Barnes thought Dak had thrown the ball and was trying to avoid a roughing the passer call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP_Fan Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Assuming the eagles take care of the cardinals and giants, the cowboys will go undefeated at home and won’t get a home playoff game. Kind of fitting in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: This is so on-brand for ESPN. what about the play before that the refs missed.... you can do this all day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holygoat Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said: But the Lions know they can beat these guys (if it's a fair fight). That goes a long way too. I think maybe the Lions walk away from this game feeling better than the Cowboys do today, because there has got to be some doubt creeping in for the Cowboys. Not for the Lions. Most of the immediate national reaction was that despite the loss, they feel better about Detroit than Dallas going into the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 One of the questions I had about this offense was is it a come from behind type offense and they have two impressive come from behind games between this one and the Bears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 2 hours ago, RedRamage said: Given that this play was specifically told to the officiating crew BEFORE the game, Campbell probably figured they would do their job and get it right. Also, I just re-listened to the broadcast and I didn't hear it announced at all. Not saying it wasn't announced but I was specifically listening for it and I didn't hear anything. If I couldn't even hear it when I was listening for it, I suspect it would have been super easy to miss it if I wasn't. There's a clip on X of the Cowboys radio broadcast and you can hear the P.A's announcement of 70 on that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 I was driving around this morning and flipping around to various radio broadcasts of today's slate of 1pm game. During the Giants-Rams game, a player had to report and the announcer said he needs be to extra careful when doing so and maybe get it in writing from the ref, "after last night's debacle in Dallas". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 I have no desire to even watch other games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, oblong said: There are 3 kinds of “mistakes”. The first is when the body doesn’t do what the mind wants it to. A bad throw. Dropped pass. Missed putt. Etc. When I hear fans try to downplay the importance of this call by pointing out “well if Goff hits his guy…”. That misses the point. Those are execution errors that’s based on skill level. Both sides are competing hard to win. Sometimes you execute and sometimes you don’t. No amount of practice or prep will deliver 100% results. The players know immediately they messed up. The second kind are judgement calls. Either you didn’t see it or saw something and didn’t feel at that moment it rose to the level, or vice versa. Snap calls made on the spot. Those are somewhat forgivable and there’s replay to help out. this kind of mistake is just a flat out screw up. I don’t even know what to call it. The only analogy I can think of is a baseball manager telling the umpire of a lineup change in the 8th inning then they get called out for batting out of order. Yup. Just in terms of trying to figure out what passed in the ref's mind - in the film you see Skipper running on to the field when Decker is already talking to the ref. You can guess the perceptual short circuit was that the ref then remembered being told by the guy he saw running in because that is what he expected, that the player signing in would be running on to the field - so his brain re-arranged the pieces of the memory to match the experience pattern already in his memory. This kind of thing happens a lot and most people just deny that they are prone to error but everyone is. That's one reason referees shouldn't work alone - to guard against the single brain short circuit, but this was a single point of failure case - only one ref involved. Edited December 31, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: Yup. Just in terms of trying to figure out what passed in the ref's mind - in the film you see 68 running on to the field when Decker is already talking to the ref. You can guess the perceptual short circuit was that the ref then remembered being told by the guy he saw running in because that is what he expected, that the player signing in would be running on to the field - so his brain re-arranged the pieces of the memory that way. This kind of thing happens a lot and most people just deny that they are prone to error but everyone is. That's one reason referees shouldn't work alone - to guard against the single brain short circuit, but this was a single point of failure case - only one ref involved. It's also why replay should have gotten involved to save him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: It's also why replay should have gotten involved to save him. I feel the argument would have been that replay couldn't determine what Decker said to the ref unless of course the ref had a mic that was recording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: It's also why replay should have gotten involved to save him. yup. and LOL at myself - I reversed the player numbers in my post....Don't give me any stripped shirts...🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Decker should change his number to 69 so the refs won't forget it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I feel the argument would have been that replay couldn't determine what Decker said to the ref unless of course the ref had a mic that was recording. correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 It doesn't really matter. Nobody is going to beat Baltimore anyway. They're playing on a different level. Maybe next year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 hour ago, ben9753 said: And get banned from the NFL for life. But who cares at this point lol Yeah, just a delayed knee jerk reaction. Let the NFL cheat. As long as the legal gambling sites make billions of dollars. I'm sure the referees families and friends have the inside scoop. Their credibility is in the toilet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Just now, Sports_Freak said: It doesn't really matter. Nobody is going to beat Baltimore anyway. They're playing on a different level. Maybe next year... That's OK, you still want to get the last dance just for the experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: It doesn't really matter. Nobody is going to beat Baltimore anyway. They're playing on a different level. Maybe next year... People say things like this all the time, and then they get beat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: That's OK, you still want to get the last dance just for the experience. The Lions are in a 2nd tier of teams. Probably the 2nd or 3rd best team in the NFC. And probably also behing Baltimore and Miami. We need an edge rusher to go along with Hutch, a CB and maybe a receiver. Patience...and believe Campbell when he says we're close, very close...the future is bright! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: That's OK, you still want to get the last dance just for the experience. Making it to the SB would at least end the "Detroit has never made it to the Super Bowl" talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_R Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Never again, Sheila. Make sure he never refs another Lions game again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Longgone said: People say things like this all the time, and then they get beat. Yeah, facing reality. You'll lose every time. 🤔🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MichiganCardinal Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 40 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I feel the argument would have been that replay couldn't determine what Decker said to the ref unless of course the ref had a mic that was recording. It’s not a challenge though, or even a review. It’s just a replay official giving him an out, asking him “are you SURE, because that’s not what it looks like on video at ALL” For all we know they did and he was too stubborn to acknowledge the possibility he ****ed it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 Cardinals beat the Eagles. If the Lions beat the Vikings, Giants beat the Eagles, and Commanders beat the Cowboys, Lions would be the two-seed. Otherwise, they’re the three-seed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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