gehringer_2 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 5 hours ago, chasfh said: I've always thought of the whole born-again thing as being related to this. Their thing is, you can't earn your way into heaven—only by the blood of Jesus after you've accepted him as your Personal Lord and Savior™ can you ensure your spot in heaven. But the flip side of that is, and must be, that once you are saved, you can't earn your way out of heaven, either. That must mean by definition that a saved person can sin in the worst ways imaginable until the second they die, but as long as they've accepted Christ, they're perpetually golden. I guess that's why the concept that being a cruel MAGA is an unChristian way to behave bounces right off their deaf ears, because acting in we've come to believe as being "Christian" was never the point for them. Being a saved Christian is not an act, it's a condition, and if you can never lose it except by explicitly rejecting Christ, what's the incentive to act "Christian"? I think what the man actually said on the matter is that you'll know a tree by it's fruit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 13 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: I think what the man actually said on the matter is that you'll know a tree by it's fruit. The irony is that they don’t appear to care what The Man said if it doesn’t suit the purpose they already had in mind going in. The Bible is a big book and there’s a lot in it to ignore in the service of making a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 6 hours ago, chasfh said: The irony is that they don’t appear to care what The Man said if it doesn’t suit the purpose they already had in mind going in. Well, why bother with what is a pretty high bar when you can just shout a few stock phrases and get on with your own self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) this could go any number of places, but I just saw that Henry the K has shuffled off this mortal coil at 100. I wonder if they will declare tomorrow (well today already in that part of the world) a holiday in Vietnam? Edited November 30, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 4 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: this could go any number of places, but I just saw that Henry the K has shuffled off this mortal coil at 100. I wonder if they will declare tomorrow (well today already in that part of the world) a holiday in Vietnam? Or Chile 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) Rolling Stone: Henry Kissinger, War Criminal Beloved by America’s Ruling Class, Finally Dies Henry Kissinger should have been jailed for either treason or war crimes. **** that guy, I feel no sympathy towards him and am glad he's gone. He should have spent his remaining years in a prison cell. It's only too bad the victims of his war crimes, the Vietnam Veterans like my father, and those servicemembers who lost their lives as a result of him extending the war, couldn't see justice brought. **** Kissinger and **** him for what he did trying to prolong the Vietnam War so Nixon could look like a hero. Edited November 30, 2023 by Mr.TaterSalad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) Edited November 30, 2023 by Mr.TaterSalad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Cat Gentleman Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 14 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: this could go any number of places, but I just saw that Henry the K has shuffled off this mortal coil at 100. I wonder if they will declare tomorrow (well today already in that part of the world) a holiday in Vietnam? it's a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 I see that King Jughead of England has, predictably, flown a private jet to the COP summit to lecture everybody about the environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said: I see that King Jughead of England has, predictably, flown a private jet to the COP summit to lecture everybody about the environment. Probably a little much to expect world leaders and other high profile people to take Spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, MIguy said: Probably a little much to expect world leaders and other high profile people to take Spirit. He's not a world leader and his presence at environmental events is farcical. He should stay home and wave from the balcony, and his children should get jobs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said: He's not a world leader and his presence at environmental events is farcical. He should stay home and wave from the balcony, and his children should get jobs. I get it, you don't approve of the royal family but that doesn't mean they don't have influence in matters such as these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 20 minutes ago, MIguy said: I get it, you don't approve of the royal family but that doesn't mean they don't have influence in matters such as these. They have no influence whatsoever, they have almost none in their own country. England has been trying for almost 80 years to preserve some sort of relevance internationally, to little effect. The Foreign Office needs their heads examined for continuing to send these clowns out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 9 hours ago, Jim Cowan said: They have no influence whatsoever, they have almost none in their own country. England has been trying for almost 80 years to preserve some sort of relevance internationally, to little effect. The Foreign Office needs their heads examined for continuing to send these clowns out there. This is kind of like arguing that US money has no value since there is no gold standard anymore. The crown is still the head of state, thus it's ambassador. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 but does anybody with the authority and ability to set policy listen to them? It would be like us sending Lebron James over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 25 minutes ago, oblong said: but does anybody with the authority and ability to set policy listen to them? It would be like us sending Lebron James over there. I would gather that depends on who the PM is, they do meet weekly and discuss all matters. This would actually be more akin to sending Jane Hartley over to the UK, who doesn't have the authority or ability to set policy and we have no idea if those that do have that power listen to her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 (edited) nm Edited December 1, 2023 by 1776 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 1 hour ago, oblong said: but does anybody with the authority and ability to set policy listen to them? It would be like us sending Lebron James over there. No they don't. They are house pets whose continued existence is justified only because of some alleged positive influence on tourism. Being a non-executive "head of state" is a ceremonial role. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 On 12/1/2023 at 8:57 AM, oblong said: but does anybody with the authority and ability to set policy listen to them? It would be like us sending Lebron James over there. We could do worse—much worse—than LeBron James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Yeah, I'll go ahead and side with the King of England over Lebron James when it comes to being dialed in on world affairs. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, MIguy said: Yeah, I'll go ahead and side with the King of England over Lebron James when it comes to being dialed in on world affairs. 🤔 Neither one of them is authorized to speak about their government's policy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 12 minutes ago, MIguy said: Yeah, I'll go ahead and side with the King of England over Lebron James when it comes to being dialed in on world affairs. 🤔 I am not suggesting we actually do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Jordan would be better 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Go with experience, Dennis Rodman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Dennis Rodman >>> John Kerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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