Hongbit Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 12 hours ago, Deleterious said: Every team, and every PG, in the league wants an athletic rim running lob catcher. Especially one with good hands like Koloko. Toss in that he offers great rim protection and a little ability to guard the perimeter and he has a lot of value, especially if you draft him in the 20's. Guys like Koloko will always have a spot in the NBA. This isn't some dinosaur like Greg Monroe who cant move his feet. That is the guy who was born 15 years late. I agree with what you are a saying. I’m just not sure he’s that athletic. He’s got a good frame but is very clunky and lacks fluidity on offense. I see his only real value on defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted April 23, 2022 Author Share Posted April 23, 2022 48 minutes ago, Hongbit said: I agree with what you are a saying. I’m just not sure he’s that athletic. He’s got a good frame but is very clunky and lacks fluidity on offense. I see his only real value on defense. He isn't an explosive jumper, but he doesn't need to be at that height and with his massive reach. We are also talking about a guy I think will go around 20. Guys in that range always have flaws. Some more from Givony: Quote Offensively, Koloko has taken a major step forward with his skill level and awareness as well, showing a knack for operating out of ball-screens and hand-offs while providing a steady presence as a lob-catcher thanks to his huge standing reach and improved hands and touch. Quote With his 7-4 wingspan, much improved 230-pound frame and outstanding mobility, Koloko is the anchor of Arizona’s staunch defense and is demonstrating impressive versatility covering ground on the perimeter as well as rotating to contest and block shots around the rim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted April 25, 2022 Author Share Posted April 25, 2022 Everyone will flip out over an edited workout video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 5 hours ago, Deleterious said: Everyone will flip out over an edited workout video. The workouts were what lead to the Pistons to draft Darko.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betrayer Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Definitely the wild card in this draft. What people see as a lack of a true star in this draft, plus Sharpe's draft position, could really make this a wild one. I'm looking forward to some weird surprises in the draft order this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 25 minutes ago, Shinzaki said: The workouts were what lead to the Pistons to draft Darko.... LOL - exactly what I was thinking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Apparantly Green and Mobley wowed the Pistons at their workout where Cade reportedly didnt yet we of course went with Cade so I'm confident that this regime isn't going to let a workout dictate who they pick unless all things were equal outside of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 ESPN still has us taking Paulo at 3 in their latest mock(Chet, Jabari 1 and 2) they released today. I know many have said that he isn't the best fit in today's game yet almost every big board and mock I see has him in the top 3 so he has to have some value, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted April 26, 2022 Author Share Posted April 26, 2022 My feelings on Paulo are the same for most of these guys. I don't necessarily want him but I won't be that upset if they get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betrayer Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 I'm not really interested in Paulo or Chet, but if we get one of them, I'll hope for the best. I don't have faith that Chet will be anything more than an oddity who well underperforms his draft position. Paulo, on the other hand, I think will be the type of player that puts up enough regular season numbers against certain types of competition that it takes your franchise too long to realize he's not good enough (Drummond syndrome). Can you imagine a lineup of Cade, Brunson, Bey, Paulo, and Stew? That has to be the least athletic lineup in the entire league. I'd prefer Smith, Ivey, Sharpe, or Mathurin. If we wind up getting Chet or Paulo with our pick, I truly hope we get Portland's pick to add whichever of these athletic guards is available (Smith will be gone by then). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 12 minutes ago, Betrayer said: Chet will be anything more than an oddity who well underperforms his draft position Yeah - I can't help seeing a John Salley with a better shot. Good but not dominant player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 this team is dying for an athletic wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted April 29, 2022 Author Share Posted April 29, 2022 Our first NIL holdout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted May 2, 2022 Author Share Posted May 2, 2022 (edited) Sam Vecenie released his big board 4.0 today. Strictly a top prospect list, no team needs taken into account. https://theathletic.com/3277809/2022/05/02/2022-nba-draft-big-board-jabari-smith-chet-holmgren/ Jabari Smith Jr. Chet Holmgren Paolo Banchero Jaden Ivey Keegan Murray Benedict Mathurin Shaedon Sharpe AJ Griffin Jeremy Sochan Dyson Daniels Edited May 2, 2022 by Deleterious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted May 2, 2022 Author Share Posted May 2, 2022 Givony released his about a week ago. Interest to see the differences. https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33795097/2022-nba-mock-draft-teams-pick-based-latest-nba-lottery-projections Rockets - Chet Holmgren Magic - Jabari Smith Pistons - Paolo Banchero Thunder - Jaden Ivey Pacers - Keegan Murray Trailblazers - Shaedon Sharpe Kings - Johnny Davis Pelicans (via Lakers) - AJ Griffin Spurs - Jalen Duren Wizards - Dyson Daniels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted May 3, 2022 Author Share Posted May 3, 2022 2022 NBA Draft: Breaking down the Pistons’ targets and scenarios with Sam Vecenie I would be pretty sad if they take Murray at #4. Much rather roll the dice on Sharpe. Quote Edwards: Anytime I mention Keegan Murray in a story, hinting that some in Detroit really like him, Pistons fans… aren’t ecstatic. I think there’s a real possibility that if Detroit picks fourth, and the “Big 3” frontcourt guys are off the board, that Murray would be in serious consideration. We’ve talked a little bit about it, but have you heard much about Detroit’s interest in Murray? And in your opinion, would taking him at fourth be a big reach? Vecenie: I’ve heard that the Pistons are, at the very least, interested in him. Whether that’s at No. 4, No. 5, No. 6? I can’t say for sure. I doubt the Pistons even have their board locked down yet two months from the draft. But in terms of value, I don’t think taking Murray fourth is an enormous reach. I think there’s a pretty real chance we all look back in three years and wonder how Murray wasn’t the obvious National Player of the Year in the country this season. He just posted one of the most productive seasons in college basketball history in terms of volume combined with efficiency. He averaged 24 points and nine rebounds while shooting 55 percent from the field, 40 percent from 3, and 75 percent from the line. Think about that: he took five 3s per game and still shot 55 percent from the field. That’s really good! He also averaged 3.2 steals plus blocks per game as an active help-side defender. There aren’t really any statistical precedents for Murray doing what he did at the high-major level on that volume of 3s. The two guys I’ve been considering a lot when thinking about Murray are Tobias Harris and Antawn Jamison. Murray is probably a bit more athletic than Harris, though not quite the shooter. But they have similar levels of questions on defense in regard to on-ball lateral quickness and footwork. Harris has been a consistent top-50 player in the league for a while, and averaged 19/7/3 on 48/39/85 shooting from the field over the last five years. He peaked at just sub-All-Star level. Jamison peaked a bit higher, and had a bit more athleticism. But he was a similarly elite college player and producer who loved playing in mid-post isolations while also being able to step away and shoot, while also not necessarily being the most developed passer. Both were in the 6-foot-8, 225-pound range, and loved grabbing the ball off the glass and pushing in transition. Jamison made a couple of all-star games and averaged 20 points and eight rebounds for a decade in the NBA. I don’t think Murray is quite that good – he doesn’t have quite the same intersection of explosiveness and strength – but Jamison went fourth overall in the 1998 NBA Draft. In general, it’s just hard for me to see how Murray fails in the NBA given his shooting, handle, scoring skillset, and size. This isn’t an Obi Toppin situation where he was kind of an undersized, underskilled big who could just leap like crazy. Murray has legitimate skill-level things that will translate well to the pro level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Givony and Schmitz broke down scenarios for the bottom 3 teams and for the Pistons they said if they get number 1 they need to take Chet. Along with other things about him as a player they say he is the best fit among the top guys for Cade. They also said if we fall out of the top 3 the best pick for us would be Ivey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 chet worries me. i'd stay away from chet. who will he guard? he'll get bullied by bigs and blown by by forwards. he didnt play well in the ncaas. otoh, if he can nail 3 pointers and can spread the floor, he'll have a shot. but if youre a team in the playoffs, wouldnt you just stick a stocky 6'4 player on him? i dont know if chet could outmuscle a guard in the nba. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 (edited) I definitely have the same concerns but I would think the gurus know more than me and yet they seem to not have those concerns about him, or atleast to the extent that I and many of us on here share or else you would think he wouldn't essentially be the unanimous number 1. Perhaps its just cause all the players in this draft have some sorta question mark and somebody has to be 1 so he gets it by default. Edited May 3, 2022 by RandyMarsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 i want the best wing athlete. period. this team needs athletes more than anything else. i want smith. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 1 hour ago, buddha said: i want the best wing athlete. period. this team needs athletes more than anything else. i want smith. Concur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted May 4, 2022 Author Share Posted May 4, 2022 Smith is fairly athletic. By that I mean he moves his feet well enough to defend the perimeter and stay on the court in the playoffs. But you will be disappointed if you draft him to get downhill and attack the rim. The joke in Auburn game threads was always about Smith have 13 shots tonight on 9 dribbles. The guy just cant, or wont, dribble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betrayer Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 18 hours ago, Deleterious said: Smith is fairly athletic. By that I mean he moves his feet well enough to defend the perimeter and stay on the court in the playoffs. But you will be disappointed if you draft him to get downhill and attack the rim. The joke in Auburn game threads was always about Smith have 13 shots tonight on 9 dribbles. The guy just cant, or wont, dribble. Exactly. You're not drafting Smith for athleticism. He won't dribble by anybody or create any offense using his athleticism. You're drafting him for his shot-making - which is elite. Don't get me wrong, I still take him #1 overall, but not because he's an athletic rim runner in any way. On the other hand, if he's gone when its our turn to pick (or if we get the Portland pick) I want one of the athletes (Ivey, Sharpe, or Mathurin). I'm sure Murray will be a fine player, but he's a low ceiling, safe pick. I'd prefer to swing for another star next to Cade, especially if we have 2 picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/33855311/2023-nba-mock-draft-gearing-next-summer-victor-wembanyama-sweepstakes can we lose this lottery and win next year's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted May 9, 2022 Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 Some of these trade proposals for Grant are...wow. Pistons fans are not being very realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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