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[Mr.TaterSalad]

A spineless loser who had the chance to do the right thing on dozens and dozens of occasions and chose not to. Your contributions were none to this country of ours and history will remember you for the spineless coward that you were and still are.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Mr.TaterSalad

[Tigerbomb13]

Good riddance to that loser

[CMRivdogs]

He's from a bright red district. I don't expect his replacement will be much better. 

[MIguy]

To go from being Speaker to quitting in disgrace in a matter of a few months is pretty impressive.  In a complete failure sort of way, but still, impressive.  

[ben9753]

He's looking forward to serving as Secretary of State or something like that in the Trump admin

[romad1]

1 hour ago, ben9753 said:

He's looking forward to serving as Secretary of State or something like that in the Trump admin

I guess, You can come back from fighting with Trump but the last conversation those two had was McCarthey telling Trump to go eff himself.

[gehringer_2]

5 hours ago, ben9753 said:

He's looking forward to serving as Secretary of State or something like that in the Trump admin

A SOS that not a leader he ever talked to could trust to be telling the truth. Sounds right in tune for a Trump admin.

[chasfh]

Remember when shoplifting was out of control and connected to organized crime and terrorist groups and, worst of all, BLM and Antifa? Well … 

 

[CMRivdogs]

 

Edited December 12, 2023 by CMRivdogs

[ewsieg]

On 12/9/2023 at 7:42 PM, chasfh said:

Remember when shoplifting was out of control and connected to organized crime and terrorist groups and, worst of all, BLM and Antifa? Well … 

 

I feel like I follow a lot of news, from a lot of sources, and I don't remember right wing leaning news reports on Target's or Walgreen's closing down or putting many of their products behind locked cases due to organized retail shoplifting, but just shoplifting in general.  As far as the BLM/Antifa talk, I do remember right wing media putting some of the blame on them, but again, I don't remember it in an 'organized' aspect, but similar to a Trump is the reason why white cops feel more confident in beating people of color arguments you saw coming from the left.

In looking at the article by WNYC (shout out to RadioLab), they try to dilute the overall issue by focusing on the one retraction.  The overall number of 95 billion per year in shoplifted items remains and the lobbying group still believes their estimate of 45 billion of that is organized is correct, but admits that they do not have sufficient evidence to correctly assert that number so they retracted it.

 

[chasfh]

6 hours ago, ewsieg said:

I feel like I follow a lot of news, from a lot of sources, and I don't remember right wing leaning news reports on Target's or Walgreen's closing down or putting many of their products behind locked cases due to organized retail shoplifting, but just shoplifting in general.  As far as the BLM/Antifa talk, I do remember right wing media putting some of the blame on them, but again, I don't remember it in an 'organized' aspect, but similar to a Trump is the reason why white cops feel more confident in beating people of color arguments you saw coming from the left.

Really? You don't remember the whole organized shoplifting gang thing? Jeez, it was only three months ago. Here's a reminder:

The program I posted on this tells exactly why in great detail why this is all horse****.

[Tiger337]

On 12/9/2023 at 7:42 PM, chasfh said:

Remember when shoplifting was out of control and connected to organized crime and terrorist groups and, worst of all, BLM and Antifa? Well … 

 

 

But it's the perfect way to scare the MAGAs.  The whole movement is based on this sort of thing.   

Edited December 15, 2023 by Tiger337

[ewsieg]

17 hours ago, chasfh said:

Really? You don't remember the whole organized shoplifting gang thing? Jeez, it was only three months ago. Here's a reminder:

The program I posted on this tells exactly why in great detail why this is all horse****.

I just listened to the article in case I missed anything when I read it.

To me, this is exactly the type of article a right leaning media outlet would write about the police to say there is no police issue and you'd complain about.  Let's not investigate if or why anything else, let's just focus on one specific estimate and once we find an issue with it, and use it to discredit everything.

In the article they eventually point out the 45 billion number was originated by using the overall shrink number from several years back.  Obviously incorrect and a good job identifying that.  But, if a few years back shrink was 45 billion, and the number in 2021 is 95 billion it's logical to think something might be going on, even if you want to argue you can't point to it being organized shoplifting.  (note, I thought you meant organized shoplifting automatically indicated it was BLM/Antifa backed, not the definition used (and explained) in the article.)

So, a few quick google searches and the 2022 number is 112 billion, so roughly 2.5 times more shrinkage than just a few years ago.  I can understand there could be arguments like Covid and how that might have affected lost merchandise in warehouses, but that's still a huge increase.  Add in that just in a few quick google searches, you can find survey's from both small and large businesses saying 78% said organized retail crime was their main priority or 88% of shoplifters (doesn't designate organized or not) are more aggressive and violent than in the past. 

Maybe the issues isn't as bad as one side is making it, but the rapidly increasing shrink numbers, combined with what retailers are saying, seem to offer some credence that it is an issue.

[RatkoVarda]

appears that Turnbull and Flaherty are at different end of political spectrum

 

[Motor City Sonics]

Guiliani put those election workers' lives in jeopardy because of the nutballs who support Trump.  They deserve every penny of the $148,000,000,  but I doubt they get more than a few thousand.   

[chasfh]

21 hours ago, ewsieg said:

I just listened to the article in case I missed anything when I read it.

To me, this is exactly the type of article a right leaning media outlet would write about the police to say there is no police issue and you'd complain about.  Let's not investigate if or why anything else, let's just focus on one specific estimate and once we find an issue with it, and use it to discredit everything.

In the article they eventually point out the 45 billion number was originated by using the overall shrink number from several years back.  Obviously incorrect and a good job identifying that.  But, if a few years back shrink was 45 billion, and the number in 2021 is 95 billion it's logical to think something might be going on, even if you want to argue you can't point to it being organized shoplifting.  (note, I thought you meant organized shoplifting automatically indicated it was BLM/Antifa backed, not the definition used (and explained) in the article.)

So, a few quick google searches and the 2022 number is 112 billion, so roughly 2.5 times more shrinkage than just a few years ago.  I can understand there could be arguments like Covid and how that might have affected lost merchandise in warehouses, but that's still a huge increase.  Add in that just in a few quick google searches, you can find survey's from both small and large businesses saying 78% said organized retail crime was their main priority or 88% of shoplifters (doesn't designate organized or not) are more aggressive and violent than in the past. 

Maybe the issues isn't as bad as one side is making it, but the rapidly increasing shrink numbers, combined with what retailers are saying, seem to offer some credence that it is an issue.

The point is that much of that media took that now-retracted number and ascribed it entirely to organized gangs of shoplifters, with the clear implication through images and language that they are all black, for reasons. And if you think I’m reaching on that last point, just take a gander at the comments below the Fox article in that tweet.

Not that the retraction will matter. The damage is done, tens of millions believe there are organized gangs of Teh Blacks running wild through stores, and that will influence votes, which was always the goal. 

[oblong]

17 minutes ago, chasfh said:

The point is that much of that media took that now-retracted number and ascribed it entirely to organized gangs of shoplifters, with the clear implication through images and language that they are all black, for reasons. And if you think I’m reaching on that last point, just take a gander at the comments below the Fox article in that tweet.

Not that the retraction will matter. The damage is done, tens of millions believe there are organized gangs of Teh Blacks running wild through stores, and that will influence votes, which was always the goal. 

CVS announced more store closures and one in our area is closing, according to neighborhood Facebook pages, “because of shoplifting”.  It’s in a city that borders Detroit. Bonus. 

[chasfh]

24 minutes ago, oblong said:

CVS announced more store closures and one in our area is closing, according to neighborhood Facebook pages, “because of shoplifting”.  It’s in a city that borders Detroit. Bonus. 

[Motor City Sonics]

46 minutes ago, oblong said:

CVS announced more store closures and one in our area is closing, according to neighborhood Facebook pages, “because of shoplifting”.  It’s in a city that borders Detroit. Bonus. 

The one on Outer Drive?     I know the one on Michigan Ave by Staples is gone as is the one  at Ecorse & Monroe.  

[Motor City Sonics]

49 minutes ago, oblong said:

CVS announced more store closures and one in our area is closing, according to neighborhood Facebook pages, “because of shoplifting”.  It’s in a city that borders Detroit. Bonus. 

They wouldn't let me on the Facebook neighborhood group and I think it's because my profile picture, at the time, was Liam Gallagher's face all cut up (he fell out of a helicopter and face-planted).  

[oblong]

1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said:

They wouldn't let me on the Facebook neighborhood group and I think it's because my profile picture, at the time, was Liam Gallagher's face all cut up (he fell out of a helicopter and face-planted).  

The one in melvindale. Oakwood and Allen. 
the corporations say it’s because of shoplifting but that’s just the cover they need. It’s because they do whatever makes the stock price go up. 

[gehringer_2]

41 minutes ago, oblong said:

The one in melvindale. Oakwood and Allen. 
the corporations say it’s because of shoplifting but that’s just the cover they need. It’s because they do whatever makes the stock price go up. 

Yeah - The truth is more likely that prescription drugs sales are far higher in areas where people have better insurance coverage thus stores in higher income areas are more profitable. And in other breaking news, the Sun will rise in the East tomorrow.

Edited December 16, 2023 by gehringer_2

[1776]

26 minutes ago, oblong said:

The one in melvindale. Oakwood and Allen. 
the corporations say it’s because of shoplifting but that’s just the cover they need. It’s because they do whatever makes the stock price go up. 

A couple of years ago I visited a CVS store looking for a pair of compression socks. This store was definitely not in what might be considered a bad area, fwiw. A clerk happened to be close by so I asked for a certain kind of sock. The clerk opened the first box that appeared to be the brand I was looking for and voilà! the box was empty. She opened another box and, you guessed it…empty. The third box on the rack had been spared and did have what I was looking for. 
She explained to me that this is borderline normal. She said that the store we were standing in budgets for an $80,000 loss annually from shoplifting. Like most all businesses the employees there have been instructed not to confront anyone in the process of a crime. 

[CMRivdogs]

Any guesses to the three left off the list?

 

[Motor City Sonics]

7 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Any guesses to the three left off the list?

 

One of them is probably named Andrew