Motor City Sonics Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 This still is not a great day, though. About 49.7 % of people in one of our states thought that was the guy to represent them. That's fucking scary as hell and as bad a candidate as he was, it took everything to beat him. At least I won't get 12 emails a day asking me to donate (at least for a little while) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Chance The Gardner almost won Georgia. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: This still is not a great day, though. About 49.7 % of people in one of our states thought that was the guy to represent them. That's fucking scary as hell and as bad a candidate as he was, it took everything to beat him. At least I won't get 12 emails a day asking me to donate (at least for a little while) the first thing you have to do *after* you make any contribution is unsubscribe from your candidate.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: This still is not a great day, though. About 49.7 % of people in one of our states thought that was the guy to represent them. That's fucking scary as hell and as bad a candidate as he was, it took everything to beat him. At least I won't get 12 emails a day asking me to donate (at least for a little while) It'll land closer to 48%, fwiw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ewsieg Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 9 hours ago, mtutiger said: You do concede the point that a shutdown of freight rail traffic would have harmed a lot of workers in the broader economy, correct? Absolutely. On that note, I’ve been told on this site that Putin is crazy enough to nuke Ukraine, and even without that, by supplying Ukraine and prolonging this war, are we not harming workers and famine all over the entire world? So obviously it’s in a no win situation and Biden should just let Ukraine get screwed over, for the benefit of far more people. Right? That would be consistent right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Just now, ewsieg said: On that note, I’ve been told on this site that Putin is crazy enough to nuke Ukraine... You didn't hear that from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ewsieg Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 And you guys actually supported this man over science (a doctor)?!?! Willing to just screw over the country. Typical democrats, just want to destroy America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Just now, ewsieg said: And you guys actually supported this man over science (a doctor)?!?! Willing to just screw over the country. Typical democrats, just want to destroy America. Or now that he’s elected are you going to admit his health is an issue to excuse this imbecile thought process? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Because somehow it’s accepted that “city folk” aren’t real Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, ewsieg said: ... are we not harming workers and famine all over the entire world? So obviously it’s in a no win situation and Biden should just let Ukraine get screwed over, for the benefit of far more people. Right? That would be consistent right? We're not hurting workers and creating famine all over the world... Russia is. 15 minutes ago, ewsieg said: ... by supplying Ukraine and prolonging this war, are we not ... And supplying Ukraine or "prolonging the war" is not a valid reason to wish-transfer the blame over to Biden. Also... in order to NOT prolong the war... All Russia has to do is pull their ass out of Ukraine. Very simple solution, right? 14 minutes ago, ewsieg said: ... Right? That would be consistent right? Apples and oranges which, apparently, you are incapable of recognizing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, ewsieg said: And you guys actually supported this man over science (a doctor)?!?! Willing to just screw over the country. Typical democrats, just want to destroy America. That's a joke, right? Or are you actually trying to convince us that all those fake pills Oz sold over the past decade to make his millions were actually based on science? Laughable. Screw over the country? Dems want to destroy America? Seriously, WTF are you even talking about? Or is this another one of your jokes...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, ewsieg said: Or now that he’s elected are you going to admit his health is an issue to excuse this imbecile thought process? Huh? Wut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ewsieg said: And you guys actually supported this man over science (a doctor)?!?! Willing to just screw over the country. Typical democrats, just want to destroy America. Not really sure what you're driving at here... as we have discussed ad nauseum, reasonable people can agree with Fetterman's point while recognizing that, given two terrible binary choices (with one that is significantly worse in the macro), almost all would go with the less bad one. As you yourself admitted, President Ewsieg probably would have enforced the deal. Edited December 7, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Ewsieg... you seem to be triggered by the Dems winning in the mid-terms. Warnock has you down? Fetterman has you upset and fully triggered? Take two aspirin and get a good nights sleep and maybe you'll feel better tomorrow morning...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Ewsieg... you seem to be triggered by the Dems winning in the mid-terms. Warnock has you down? Fetterman has you upset and fully triggered? Take two aspirin and get a good nights sleep and maybe you'll feel better tomorrow morning...? What's weird is that the subtext of Fetterman's tweet is that the railroads and their shareholders have agency, they could do these things on their own (ie. without needing the unions or the government to compel them) and have chosen not to, and it is hard to understand for the average person why they can't figure out a way to make it work. It's a statement that literally everyone in this thread who has engaged on this discussion agrees with, and yet here we are jamming it all into our left-right ****show debate. Because that's what we do lol Edited December 7, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 24 minutes ago, mtutiger said: What's weird is that the subtext of Fetterman's tweet is that the railroads and their shareholders have agency, they could do these things on their own (ie. without needing the unions or the government to compel them) and have chosen not to, and it is hard to understand for the average person why they can't figure out a way to make it work. It's a statement that literally everyone in this thread who has engaged on this discussion agrees with, and yet here we are jamming it all into our left-right ****show debate. Because that's what we do lol Which is where the comedy is coming in... LOL is right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, mtutiger said: What's weird is that the subtext of Fetterman's tweet is that the railroads and their shareholders have agency, they could do these things on their own (ie. without needing the unions or the government to compel them) and have chosen not to, and it is hard to understand for the average person why they can't figure out a way to make it work. It's a statement that literally everyone in this thread who has engaged on this discussion agrees with, and yet here we are jamming it all into our left-right ****show debate. Because that's what we do lol yeah - this is a pretty simple bottom line - one party would have forced the company to provide the days, the other stopped it. There is nothing more to it than that. Work stoppage is/was a non-issue once the administration decided to go to Congress. If Congress wants to short circuit collective bargaining they darn well can and that is that.* The only possible work stoppage issue was if the workers wild-cat, but again that would have been (will be if it happens) the result of GOP Senators not agreeing to the more worker friendly settlement. *And don't get me started again on how assinine a Supreme court is that knows full well that the Congress when it cares to use it, has complete authority over the operations of corporations (and unions FTM) in the US in such a fundamental process as collective bargaining but is then somehow thwarted by some kind of imputed personhood when it comes to corporate political spending. Edited December 7, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 A real mystery... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 7, 2022 Author Share Posted December 7, 2022 9 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Amazing win for the Democrats and Warnock campaign in Georgia!!! When does the Georgia Governor's seat finally flip Democratic? When they run a Trumpy election denier who does civil war reenactments dressed in blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 19 minutes ago, mtutiger said: A real mystery... Was that said with a straight face? come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 8 hours ago, mtutiger said: Not really sure what you're driving at here... as we have discussed ad nauseum, reasonable people can agree with Fetterman's point while recognizing that, given two terrible binary choices (with one that is significantly worse in the macro), almost all would go with the less bad one. As you yourself admitted, President Ewsieg probably would have enforced the deal. Right, but as 1984 says, i'm a conservative, that's my track record. I should be beat up in the media for such horrible ideas. Yet Fetterman is advocating sinking this country just so a few workers can get a few paid sick days. We're not living in my pretend land as president, in a few weeks this man will have a vote and it was the democratic party that supported him. Hopefully the likes of him don't take over the party and the Democrats can stick to common sense ideas where they get union votes, without actually producing for the unions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, ewsieg said: Yet Fetterman is advocating sinking this country just so a few workers can get a few paid sick days. I interpret Fetterman's comments as advocating that the companies provide their employees seven days of sick leave. I dont see anything in there making a judgment about whether the negotiated deal should or shouldn't have been enforced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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