chasfh Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Not even two pages? This must be the most pathetic game thread I’ve seen in MT*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 It’s the Haase in LF of game threads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Evil Roy Slade said: Nice ballpark? It looks like it. It is one of the nicest minor league parks I have visited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, chasfh said: Not even two pages? This must be the most pathetic game thread I’ve seen in MT*. When Harold Castro is your best hitter and they call him "Hittin Harold", what reason is there to watch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 cabrera's not playing so why watch? /ducks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 I am the worst nightmare of a Tiger fan. I am beyond pissed off. 5th stage of Grief. Acceptance. I haven't watched even a few minutes of a Tiger game since maybe July 7th or 8th. I haven't even watched Highlights. I simply don't care anymore. I won't waste my time on it. Why bother? Worse than a die hard fan's anger is a die hard fans apathy. I was hate-watching them for a while, now they don't make s speck of difference in my life and my life is just fine. Don't want 'em, Don't need 'em. I'll be a sucker again in February, but not this year. Only thing that matters to me now is that they don't stop at just Al Avila. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 46 more games of this death march...........ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kdog Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 And they aren't guaranteed a high draft pick with the new mlb lottery. I like it because it will hopefully discourage tanking. But some mlb owners are shameless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobrob2004 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 The Tigers may have lost 7 in a row, but Oakland has lost 8 in a row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 8 hours ago, mtutiger said: Best case scenario for next year to me is if Riley / Spencer make significant strides (feel decent about Riley doing that, concerned about Spencer), Meadows comes back healthy and performs and somehow adding 2-3 2-WAR position players (would likely have to be through free agency, but trade market with young starters may be possible). But even with that plus better luck on the starting pitching side? Probably enough to get them back into the high 70s in wins, but hard to see much beyond that. But may put them in a position to compete on 2024. They really can't do another rebuild, but it's not clear to me that they should or even want to. Between Chris and AJs comments, it seems like they want more to try to build off what they have as opposed to tearing down. Yeah, this is spot on. They cannot go back to scratch, what would be the point of trying to promise everybody another 5 year rainbow? You might as well rename them the New Royals and dare people to see an eternally poor product. And yes, it starts with REASONABLE assumptions as you laid out above. - Tork, Greene, and Meadows have to each be 2-3 WAR guys, as they were projected to be in 2022, and anybody that says that any of these 3 guys CAN'T do 2-3 WAR each in 2023 doesn't know what they are talking about. This is not a prediction, this is a screaming need and a reasonable expectation. - Baez's last two months (115 OPS+, 4+ WAR if he plays his normal D for year) is what we are going to see from him for at least 2023 and no dramatic dropoff through 2024. - the Bullpen continues to do as well as they have from the beginning of 2021. 2B, 3B, and LF: - Schoop continues to provide plus D and somehow is able to stop being a black hole as a hitter and do something more like 80-90 OPS+, which is still bad, but would be a 2+ WAR player with plus D. Sadly, there really isn't another option in the FA market or in the minors ready-to-go in 2023, and they are paying Schoop $7M. - They are able to cobble together a non-black-hole situation at 3B, maybe through a combination of Harold and a middling acquisition like Joey Wendle, and maybe they get lucky and Lipcius comes up at some point in 2023 and doesn't suck at 3B, and/or maybe they give Candy a bare-bones one-year contract for the league minimum and see if he can figure out how to hit a baseball again. - They are able to sign one of the few decent FA OFers or trade for someone decent. The OF is generally where you hope that D. Cabrera and/or Carpenter also fill a gap decently for 150 PAs or so. - The Starting Rotation is going to be a plug-and-pray situation. Hopefully among Skubal, Manning, Turnbull and Brieske, there's enough healthy starts to cover at least 60 starts with decent pitching. Hopefully they can fill one other slot decently with available healthier options. That would leave a need for at least one other guy more likely two. I hate hate hate to depend on Eduardo again, but he may be a necessary option. That still would leave probably one other guy, a FA or trade acquisition. Given what little there is to trade, probably a modest FA acquisition. That's a 3Bman, LFer, and at least one SP....probably two FAs (LF and SP) and a trade acquisition at 3B. If Meadows, Tork and Greene get it done then they are in the mid-70's...if they hit lighting in a bottle with the other positions maybe they luck their way into a winning season. It aint much but it's probably all they have to go on at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, sabretooth said: Yeah, this is spot on. They cannot go back to scratch, what would be the point of trying to promise everybody another 5 year rainbow? You might as well rename them the New Royals and dare people to see an eternally poor product. And yes, it starts with REASONABLE assumptions as you laid out above. - Tork, Greene, and Meadows have to each be 2-3 WAR guys, as they were projected to be in 2022, and anybody that says that any of these 3 guys CAN'T do 2-3 WAR each in 2023 doesn't know what they are talking about. This is not a prediction, this is a screaming need and a reasonable expectation. - Baez's last two months (115 OPS+, 4+ WAR if he plays his normal D for year) is what we are going to see from him for at least 2023 and no dramatic dropoff through 2024. - the Bullpen continues to do as well as they have from the beginning of 2021. 2B, 3B, and LF: - Schoop continues to provide plus D and somehow is able to stop being a black hole as a hitter and do something more like 80-90 OPS+, which is still bad, but would be a 2+ WAR player with plus D. Sadly, there really isn't another option in the FA market or in the minors ready-to-go in 2023, and they are paying Schoop $7M. - They are able to cobble together a non-black-hole situation at 3B, maybe through a combination of Harold and a middling acquisition like Joey Wendle, and maybe they get lucky and Lipcius comes up at some point in 2023 and doesn't suck at 3B, and/or maybe they give Candy a bare-bones one-year contract for the league minimum and see if he can figure out how to hit a baseball again. - They are able to sign one of the few decent FA OFers or trade for someone decent. The OF is generally where you hope that D. Cabrera and/or Carpenter also fill a gap decently for 150 PAs or so. - The Starting Rotation is going to be a plug-and-pray situation. Hopefully among Skubal, Manning, Turnbull and Brieske, there's enough healthy starts to cover at least 60 starts with decent pitching. Hopefully they can fill one other slot decently with available healthier options. That would leave a need for at least one other guy more likely two. I hate hate hate to depend on Eduardo again, but he may be a necessary option. That still would leave probably one other guy, a FA or trade acquisition. Given what little there is to trade, probably a modest FA acquisition. That's a 3Bman, LFer, and at least one SP....probably two FAs (LF and SP) and a trade acquisition at 3B. If Meadows, Tork and Greene get it done then they are in the mid-70's...if they hit lighting in a bottle with the other positions maybe they luck their way into a winning season. It aint much but it's probably all they have to go on at this point. We're on the same page. I really like the idea of bringing in Wilmer Flores. Professional hitter who is versatile and plays all over the diamond. Who knows, maybe he has a close relationship with his brother and would like to play behind him one day lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 29 minutes ago, bobrob2004 said: The Tigers may have lost 7 in a row, but Oakland has lost 8 in a row. We have hope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 6 hours ago, Tigermojo said: The veteran hitters on this team are just an embarrassment. Both runs from Greene and Baddoo. don't look now, Baddoo is 9 for last 29. All singles though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 6 hours ago, Tigermojo said: The veteran hitters on this team are just an embarrassment. Both runs from Greene and Baddoo. And they've reached the point where they are trapped in a mutual death spiral. It's hard enough to hit in the majors, but when there is never a guy on base when you are up to put the pitcher in the stretch, let alone maybe be a threat to steal, and nobody gets to hit when the man in the on-deck circle is a threat to go yard, it just gives the opposing pitchers even more advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 41 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: don't look now, Baddoo is 9 for last 29. All singles though.... All singles...He's the new Cabrera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 34 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: All singles...He's the new Cabrera. Back when Cabrera could still steal third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: And they've reached the point where they are trapped in a mutual death spiral. It's hard enough to hit in the majors, but when there is never a guy on base when you are up to put the pitcher in the stretch, let alone maybe be a threat to steal, and nobody gets to hit when the man in the on-deck circle is a threat to go yard, it just gives the opposing pitchers even more advantage. Get rid of the damn ping pong table! (and Coolbaugh) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: don't look now, Baddoo is 9 for last 29. All singles though.... Yes, signs of life, and I think 2 BB's in that same time frame although I didn't look it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackPine Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 9 hours ago, Tigermojo said: Get rid of the damn ping pong table! (and Coolbaugh) Maybe it's the ping ping hurting all the pitchers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted August 15, 2022 Author Share Posted August 15, 2022 What if the hitters took ping pong paddles rather than bats to the plate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 On 8/14/2022 at 3:04 PM, 1984Echoes said: Just looked at the bottom of the Tigers lineup today... And see we have: Jeimer Mendoza Kody Mendoza Tucker Mendoza Akil Mendoza That's impressive! I think Tucker Mendoza is upset with me for posting this... And... It looks like Kerry wants to "be a somebody... not a nobody..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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