pfife Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Maybe Gaetz is just fucking with him. I’m going to bed. I’m assuming this means they have it now so no need to stay up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 7, 2023 Author Share Posted January 7, 2023 What a rollercoaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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romad1 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 all so these fuckers can cut the back straps on Ukrainian defense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 39 minutes ago, oblong said: Regarding the sex trafficking and Gaetz. I have to think if there were hard evidence they would have used it on him. Like they did on Cawthorn. I actually think they did use it on Gaetz...its just the Panhandle is so faccacta that they voted for him anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 I don't think it's a very long limb to climb out on to predict McCarthy will fall in fairly short order, probably when the 1st debt ceiling vote comes up. The FC will refuse to let the speaker bring it to a vote and that will be the end of McCarthy. At that point, when it's something real on the table and not just a personnel matter, we'll see if a durable majority to govern can emerge from a coalition of the center of the two parties or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Looks like this might be the end. More present votes this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ewsieg Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 minute ago, chasfh said: Trump has been trying for days to get the votes for McCarthy. He simply has no pull anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 7, 2023 Author Share Posted January 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I don't think it's a very long limb to climb out on to predict McCarthy will fall in fairly short order, probably when the 1st debt ceiling vote comes up. The FC will refuse to let the speaker bring it to a vote and that will be the end of McCarthy. At that point, when it's something real on the table and not just a personnel matter, we'll see if a durable majority to govern can emerge from a coalition of the center of the two parties or not. He doesn't know where his caucus lies most of the time and seems unable to count votes. Not a recipe for success Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Just now, ewsieg said: Trump has been trying for days to get the votes for McCarthy. He simply has no pull anymore. but you can be sure he will be claiming a personal victory within the time it takes to tap out 160 characters from the gavel drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mtutiger Posted January 7, 2023 Author Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 minute ago, chasfh said: The guy who lunged at him is Chairman of Armed Services, so maybe that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Kevin McCarthy begins his speakership 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pfife Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Jeffries can still win if Mike Pence has the courage to do what's right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mtutiger Posted January 7, 2023 Author Share Posted January 7, 2023 In terms of the prospects of coalition government, after seeing this process play out, if the Dems had picked up/held a couple more seats (something like 219-216), the prospect would have been a higher probability with the volatility of the GOP Caucus. 222-212 is narrow, but not narrow enough. We will have to see how that changes as McCarthy gets further in and as the debt ceiling approaches whether we see changes in leadership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ewsieg Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 debt limit is going to be an absolute shitshow. I'm sure McCarthy reached out to Dem leadership about getting some votes and or presents. I am interested in what a deal there would have looked like. I saw where someone believed the famous AOC/Gaetz talk was based on an attempt to get some Dems to walk out, making the threshold achievable for McCarthy and i'm assuming giving Gaetz the ability to still symbolically vote against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 6 hours ago, mtutiger said: In terms of the prospects of coalition government, after seeing this process play out, if the Dems had picked up/held a couple more seats (something like 219-216), the prospect would have been a higher probability with the volatility of the GOP Caucus. 222-212 is narrow, but not narrow enough. We will have to see how that changes as McCarthy gets further in and as the debt ceiling approaches whether we see changes in leadership I’m sure there are Democrats who would vote for a Republican speaker who is not part of or beholden to the Kookoo Kaukus. Maybe some coalition could form around someone before long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 7, 2023 Author Share Posted January 7, 2023 How it started How it ended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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