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What's sad is that none of the Right wing politicians or pundits give a flying **** about Charlie Kirk or his kids or Tyler Robinson. It's all about how they can own the libs or blame their target group of the day. Yesterday, it was all out civil war and let's arm ourselves. Today, it's the college indoctrination, mental health and praying for the wayward souls. The sheeple eat it up.

Kirk is also someone who made his name in the social media world, and social media, as it is constructed, is built to push all of us away from the larger community in front of us and monopolize our time. And one of the emotions that gets exploited by the platforms and the influencers who utilize them is anger. Anybody who has spent any amount of time on a social media platform in the last 24 hours should be able to notice how easily they exploit it. None of it makes anybody happier, none of it makes us better off, none of it makes the world a better place. Treating people with dignity and respect, regardless of who they are, that's' what makes the world a better place. Charlie Kirk should not have had this happen to him. I feel bad for his kids, his wife and his friends, all the people who maybe saw a different side of him than any of us did. But in terms of his public life, the record speaks for itself... he said a lot of mean and terrible things about many different people from walks of life different than his own. It would be intellectually dishonest of me to pretend otherwise.

A republican exploits preferred republican gun policies to murder a firebrand republican talker at a republican political rally in a republican state therefore the left needs to pay for it.

Can you point out any examples of this? There’s a clear difference in being happy someone is dead, and thinking someone doesn’t need to be lionized for their decisive, harmful rhetoric.

If you think everyone is saying that you maybe you should parse the conversation a little more closely. But even if some are, can you blame them? If you were one of those people Charlie so cavalierly suggested be removed from the population how could you be blamed for being happy he's gone? Why was virtually every American glad to see Bin Laden gone? Because he had made himself our mortal enemy. Charlie made himself that for a lot of people.

Gipson-Didn’t Last-Long

Something is fishy here.

Yep, I thought about that several times yesterday and today. Twenty four years ago today this country was probably more united than at any other time since the attack on Pearl Harbor and the WWII years. Today? I’d feel comfortable in saying that this country hasn’t been this divided since the Civil War years. Civility is dying. It’s bad.

Well, Making money is the whole point of TPUSA

Did that troubled young man who warned you that he had 4 cases of ammo and that things were going to get spicy get the help he needed?

There was nothing thought provoking about his views. They were very pedestrian. Nothing that made you go "Well... ok I guess.... I don't agree but...." It was just simple "Gay is a sin" garbage.

As usual he's got nothing. Typical of MAGA asshats. They make up grievances.

So true. This reminds me of a recent conversation that I was having with an African American buddy who was discussing something with my Mexican accountant, which is interesting as you don’t think of them as being accountants, which is even funnier as my black friend is a pilot and you really don’t think of them as that. Rapper or athlete sure, but definitely not pilot. I joke with him all the time that if I didn’t know him, there’s no way I’d ever fly on his plane. We all get a big chuckle at that one. As I was saying…shoot, I forgot my point.

We're the hateful ones because we don't allow them to bully whoever they want to.

Right now Packers look like the best team in our division and possibly the NFL. A lot can happen in the NFL throughout the year (injuries, other teams figuring out there weaknesses, ....etc) although there defense looks dominant and Love looks on point. They don't have as difficult schedule as we do (especially early on) but its not an easy schedule. If they maintain this success throughout the year, the Parson's trade was an absolute success. Which is different than what I originally thought. The fact that this team is as young as it is will definitely help with not having their 1rst round pick the next two years. We have a tough division, especially if JJ is for real. Ben taking over the Bears scares me although until proven wrong, I am not sold on Williams. Lions are going to have to be on point this year and not have injury problems if they even want to make the playoffs. They better figure stuff out soon or its going to be a long season. This isn't panicking, I am not jumping off the Lions hype train (I am still fully on board even if they have a down year). This is just being realistic.

Does this guys beliefs align with your's so closely that, for some reason, you're mourning his death more than the hundreds of school children who have been slaughtered? If so, not only do you lose all credibility but also all respect from the vast majority of posters on this message board.

Not to bleed things over from the forum people would be wise to avoid, but is somebody else going to have to start game threads for a bit? No way that post today doesn't warrant some time away...

I'll do it for you.

They did not play like champions last Sunday. They deserved to lose. I expect they will play like champions this Sunday.

Nancy Mace's sliding scale of justice for people . . .

One thing that's sad to me is that the many people who should have been remembered yesterday, those who died on 9/11, barely got a mention.

While I'm far from being a scholar of the Bible, my reading of it led me to believe that you need to live the teachings: feed the hungry, visit the sick and jailed, to name a couple. And, to go forward and sin no more. And, while I'm sure that there can be cases of people sincerely repenting at the end of their lives, I would hope that it takes more than 'yikes, I'm dying so I better become born again' in which one is only saying the words to avoid punishment. And.... if I were to find myself in 'Heaven' with people who are as hateful as certain of his followers are, then that frankly would not be my idea of Heaven.

No, sorry. My post was supposed to have quoted Sloth's post saying Raymond + Kasper + multiple firsts for Kaprizov. The quote didn't come through for some reason. I was saying if we're giving up all those assets in a trade then I want McDavid or Draisitl in return. Without the quote carrying over it looks like I was responding to you, but it was intended for Sloth's post.

Yeah, well, I don't know, maybe I'm a little ****ed up here, but, I tend to seek out the logic in arguments. 😏

There's two purposes now for political thought/philosphy. One is education and figuring things out. The other is monetizing it. Talk radio and later the internet showed you can get rich by being controversial. Who cares what you really believe. Get people watching you say it and you can make a good living. The rubes listening and watching think it's real. People like Kirk and Shapiro, the children of Rush and Hannity, laugh to the bank.

I just checked, no member of this forum has celebrated Kirk's death in this thread. Now it's clear that many believe the world may be a better place without him and many have pointed out why they believe he was a bad guy (yours truly incl). But those remain quite different things. I think the world would be a better place with fewer lawyers - I'm not advocating we do any in.

How do we know Charlie didn't die of a Fentanyl overdose?

Isn't this story sad enough without bringing baseball into it?

Didn't Tyler Robinson used to pitch for the Tigers?

Hopefully they send the national guard to Utah. what is going up up there?

Kirk espoused everything that was the opposite of Christ's teachings. Prove me wrong

I think the article's point to link this to the Tigers is a bit of a stretch. This is a corporate culture issue within the Ilitch Organization. These are people who could be doing jobs anywhere. It's not about the baseball team, even if their current role relates to that job at the time. It's not the late 90's Tigers on the team plane harassing flight attendants. Even the Maybin and Monroe things are throw ins. Maybin didn't do what he did because of what happens in offices across the street. The Monroe situation appears to have gone nowhere and the team took that as a chance to cut bait with a story they didn't want to be a part of. Again, that's not because Bob in Accounting made a comment about Jan's butt. I think any investigation into a large conglomerate in this country would show this taking place. It's not condoning it obviously but when shown a group of 1,000 men there's still pigs around and that's the case with Ilitch Holdings.

hard to have a polite conversation with a merchant of hate and intolerance.

You want to call caring and normal Americans "cronies?" While the hate coming out of the right is being questioned?

Charlie Kirk fundamentally believed (and the right still believes this) that a society that has more guns will be safer. That a good guy with a gun will keep you protected from a bad guy with a gun. That theory was tragically tested in a real life scenario, not in a laboratory or a college research paper, and didn't work out for Charlie Kirk. A bad guy with a gun shot and killed him and no good guy with a gun would have been able to save him. That's because bad guys with guns don't announce what they're going to do. There is no heads up or forewarning that they're going to commit a crime or a violent action. There are solutions that could solve this problem and things that could have saved Charlie Kirk's life. Solutions like background checks and mental health screenings on all individuals purchasing a gun, to ensure that person is capable and qualified to own a gun. Even more than that, we could have done, at any point in time after one of the thousands of mass shootings this country has experienced, a gun buyback program as Australia did. In the wake of Australia's worst mass shooting event ever, the Port Arthur massacre of 1996, the Australian government instituted a gun buyback program to reduce the number of guns in society and prevent future mass shootings. Here in America, we have more guns than people in society. We have an estimated 120.5 guns per every 100 Americans. We have one of the highest gun death rates in the developed world. In 2023 we had 13.7 gun deaths per 100,000 citizens. In Australia the number of gun deaths per person is .103 for every 100,000 persons. Why is that number so low? One reason, among many, is because they simply have less guns in society. Therefore, angry, bad, mentally ill, and/or vengeful people would simply have less access to a gun and less ability to carry out their violent acts. A gun buyback policy, implemented at anytime over the last 30 years in this country could have saved the lives of countless Americans, including our children and Charlie Kirk himself. Gun buyback programs work!

Life is complex, people are complex. What a person does that is good doesn't mean they can't be crazy. But seriously, that's exactly why what a guy like Kirk preaches is so terrible. The trans person I happen to know the best does more selfless good work out in the larger community than Charlie Kirk probably ever dreamed of doing in his life. He has(had) no right or standing at all to impugn that person's existence or their value.

The old DEI hires were way better than these DEI hires

A Harris FBI would have this dude in custody already. Some serious doge dip****tery and asshattery on full display from this crop of onion pouches

Two out of three ain’t bad in New York.

as a kid we went to some Tiger Wives vs Channel 4 softball game. That’s me in the lower left after getting Marty’s autograph. I also had photos or Rupper Jones, Petry, and Lance from a distance.

Listen, I’ve watched the Yankees bullpen blow leads in the seventh eighth and ninth innings this year, stay tuned for the whole game, because I’m telling you it ain’t over till it’s over. (Borrowed that for my old Paisan Yogi Berra) on the other hand, I am done for the night with baseball. Aaron Judge has just moved in to a tie with Joe DiMaggio for fourth on the all-time Yankee Homer’s list. I don’t need to see anymore tonight. Ciao, guys.

Over on MotownForums dot com, they also said that!

Are they going to give him some reps at center?

We will find out in 2029 when Jake Tapper writes his book blaming Biden for giving Trump a stroke.

Not sure what your neighbor being African American has to do with anything. It doesn't give the impression you think it does. Am I remembering correctly, did Charlie Kirk call for the Epstein files to be released a few months ago?

What they won't tell us is that Trump was pictured in the child porn.

Famously, the Reichstag fire was a provocation.

anti-fascist ideology? Oh the horror

Here is the stat stability chart from fangraphs: https://library.fangraphs.com/principles/sample-size/ “Stabilization” Points for Offense Statistics: 60 PA: Strikeout rate 120 PA: Walk rate 240 PA: HBP rate 290 PA: Single rate 1610 PA: XBH rate 170 PA: HR rate 910 AB: AVG 460 PA: OBP 320 AB: SLG 160 AB: ISO 80 BIP: GB rate 80 BIP: FB rate 600 BIP: LD rate 50 FBs: HR per FB 820 BIP: BABIP As it stands right now, McGonigle has 185 PAs, 151 ABs, and 119 BIP in AA. So his BB%, K%, HR rate are all useful, and ISO is 9 AB away. We basically need to have 6X more ABs before BA has any meaning and 6.9X more BIP before BABIP would have any use. There is also the stats that correlate most to MLB performance: https://medium.com/the-sports-scientist/minor-league-stat-stickiness-hitters-cbb694a11282 Hint, it's K% and BB%, followed by home run rate. It's really simple, given the small sample sizes here, there are only a few stats that have any value in looking at, and those are all the stats that McGonigle is absolutely elite in. Comparing McGonigle in A vs AA: BB%: 13.5 vs 16.8% K%: 11.2% vs 11.9% ISO: .277 vs .278 HR rate: 1 per 20.71 ABs vs 1 per 15.1 ABs McGonigle's performance in AA is superior to his performance in A ball when looking at the stats that have actually reached stability and have some use, and those stats are also the stats that are most relevant to look at when projecting forward. BA and BABIP will never have a sample size large enough in the minors because it takes almost 2 whole seasons worth of data to have any use whatsoever. McGonigle is not being challenged in AA, and he won't be challenged in AAA either. The jump from AA to AAA is not that big for somebody who is so far ahead of the AA level that he's posting numbers like this. There is no question that McGonigle is too good for minor league pitching, the only question is how he will handle to the jump to the majors. There's only one way to find that out, and we will find that out shortly, not a year from now.

I said in my lifetime. I'm aging, but not quite old enough to have seen Old Hoss.