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They’re going to Old Yeller Noem.

I am pretty sure you'll blame it on Avila

I guess I don't see trading Skubal as a surrender for '26. There are only two elite pitchers in MLB--him and Skenes. Other teams learn to win without generational talent (which there are currently few--maybe add Ohtani and Judge to that group). Depending on who we would get in return, along with other moves, we might end up with a very competitive and sustainable team. For example, if the Tigers (hypothetically) made the Jim Bowden proposed trade, we could end up with Tyler Glasnow and Emmet Sheehan for the rotation. And potentially sign one of the free agent starters (i.e., King, Valdez, Suarez, etc...). Are we really worse off than if we just had Skubal in '26? Each of the replacement pitchers would be controllable for the next 3-5 seasons. I'm not necessarily advocating trading Skubal, but I also don't think it has to be a setback for '26 and might be more advantageous beyond that.

it is perfectly rational to say: I am not signing Skubal to a 10/400 contract. The risk is real that he gets injured at some point and that is a massive amount of dead money on the payroll, which could very well be crippling for the team. The NYY got super lucky that Gerrit Cole (after making just 17 starts in 2024 due to injuries) opted out of his contract last winter, and the Yankees got to avoid the riskiest years of the contract, ages 34-38. Instead, NYY made the awful decision to let Cole undo the opt out when Boras found no market. The result: Cole had TJ surgery in March and is looking at a May 2026 return. 1.5 years of nothing, followed by ? level of performance at 35.

He had Winsome Sears as his LG

This team is capable of growing its own in its solar powered self-replicating underground hydroponic greenhouse, and is committed to that process, but I think Harris is fully aware of the value of coming up into the sunlight at ground zero and dealing with other protagonists on their level. I’m hoping for some above ground activity this week and if there isn’t much, I don’t think it will be because Harris is a conceited college boy or Chris is a cheap bastard. it’ll be for well-thought-out reasons aligned with a general operating procedure that has birthed more fruit recently than we ever harvested for many years previously.

meh, better team won. The story of the game was the Indiana DL destroyed the OSU OL. I ain't mad, happy for IU.

Touchdown Jesus is entering the portal.

"A man's got to know his limitations"

This is how I feel. Mid-market teams get limited opportunities to win championships. When you've got a chance to do that, you've got to go for it. We don't don't know how long that's going to take to happen again if they trade Skubal. Collecting prospects so that you can get another chance in three years might not work. We don't even know if the prospects they do receive will pan out.

Yes, Trammel was on this panel. I know Jayson Stark and Tyler Kepner were too. I forget the whole list off hand. A few years ago I stopped caring about the Hall of Fame. There's too much to get upset about, why waste emotion on who does and doesn't get in?

its an absolute joke. the biggest laugh is not giving bonds or clemens enough votes to even stay on the ballot! because of roids! or schilling because of politics. and instead you vote in ortiz! and pudge! and bagwell! and now kent! ortiz was CAUGHT but because he's fat, happy, and plays for the red sox he gets a pass. pudge miraculously lost 100 pounds in one summer which just happened to be the summer they started testing. bagwell and kent suddenly got quite large and starting hitting homers but could never have done roids... come on. sportswriters are some of the dumbest hypocritical beings on the planet. i was always on the fence about whitaker and trammell. theyre "hall of very good" for me. but if youre going to let in the likes of harold freaking baines and jeff freaking kent, then by all means whitaker and trammell both belong.

They were loaded with superstars under Dombrowski and still didn't win one, so I don't know that the correlation is that strong. I would say since they only have one, they need to keep him because they probably won't even make the playoffs without him. I also don't think trading him is necessarily just a matter of player performance value coming and going. The Tigers just made the playoffs two years in a row after a really long and ugly drought. It seems that trading your only star at this time will potentially alienate a lot of people from fans to teammates to potential free agents.

Keep Skubal, sign Begman

Not surprising...every accusation is an admittance of guilt of some kind Trump’s Own Mortgages Match His Description of Mortgage Fraud, Records Reveal https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-mortgage-fraud-florida-principal-residences?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dailynewsletter&utm_content=feature

I’m saying that trading Skubal this year or losing Skubal next year doesn’t substantially affect whether or not free agent X will sign with us. And also it won’t really matter, because if we are the type of team to trade Skubal, we won’t be in on the free agents that have the luxury of saying no to us.

The other thing is that we really don’t know what a return could be for Skubal. All speculation has come from podcasts and industry insiders. They might be much more bullish than what teams will be willing to surrender.

You’re going to have to get black to us on that, huh?

Yes the Clash..I remember punk rocking to them in some semi dive many moons ago . Great song and Thank you !

The Supreme Court sure is acting as though they don't expect anyone else to be president throughout 2029 and beyond.

Jonathan Last with another good analysis of the junta's lies. https://www.thebulwark.com/p/donald-trump-and-the-power-of-the-little-lie?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=87281&post_id=181035497&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=45wcm&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

It seems to me the big dividing line between the Pro Trade folks and the Anti Trade folks is on the return for Skubal. With no knowledge of actual proposals to access (ignoring the crap from writers that need to file a story) I tend to be in the Anti camp, but willing to change if a great return is offered. Until then, it’s all speculation and wishcasting. Show me the confirmed deals. Most never do come out in the open, some get a glimpse of what was a possibility.

Well, at least he would at least have a third of the country, including probably two-thirds of all white people of modest education and means, rejecting what their lyin' eyes are telling them, and then people can gainsay each other about what the truth actually is, which is Trump's sweet spot for dividing the people against each other.

If they were aligned with the ACC, their strength of schedule would have been significantly worse as they would have played 8 ACC games instead of 6 and the ACC teams were the weakest teams on their schedule (except Miami) They played 2 SEC teams, lost to A&M by 1 on a botched XP and beat Arkansas worse than any other SEC team. If they were fully in the ACC it's doubtful they play either. I honestly have no issue with Miami being ahead of them in the end (even if i don't agree). It's the fact that 5 weeks ago they and Miami both were 6-2 and ND was ranked 8 spots ahead of MIami with the game one on the record. Since then they played 4 games. ND won by an average of 38 pts, Miami by 27.5. 2 were common opponents and ND had greater margin of victory. What in those 5 weeks caused MIami to gain 9 spots on ND? My biggest issue is with Alabama not dropping at all after getting destroyed by Georgia. IMO ND & Miami should have been in and Alabama out as every other team that lost a championship game dropped at least 2 spots if the game wasn't close.

Why do I have to choose between the two? We can have both, and I’m pretty sure we will. But if you’re suggesting that we would be able to trade one remaining year of Skubal for a package that’s the equivalent of Clark and McGonigle and Rainer—i.e., Skubal for three top 40 prospects—then all due respect, that question is just laughable on his face.

I doubt the Tigers dabble in the Rule 5.

Say, it almost seems as though blowing up civilian boats and prepping for war against Venezuela, Somalia, etc, isn’t actually about what we’re being told it’s about.

100% I think the hyperventilating over what a terrible season in 2026 we'll have (ZERO chance at the playoffs!) if we trade Skubal... Is quite a bit overdone. And is severely myopic (to yours and several others' points, including mine... that OTHER moves ARE allowed by the Tigers) ... as if the Tigers aren't even allowed to make any other transactions once we trade Skubal because...? Because why? I don't know. Why aren't we allowed to make any other moves after we trade Skubal? I don't get it. Myopia is the only thing I can think of. And it shows a complete and absolute lack of faith in Scott Harris. IMO.

The Clash: "Should I Stay or Should I Go?" Interesting and excellent point...!

asp/danielson/ras plus a first and second is what i would expect to give up. some other team may beat that. or not if they know hughes only wants detroit.

If having one good player under control for 6 yrs is good, doesn't having 3 players under control for 6 years have to be better? I don't have that much of a problem logically with the '18yrs of control' statement. To my mind the larger logical fallacy is expecting there is any chance at that all three of the guys you putatively get back in the trade make or stay in the majors for through their arb years.

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I don't doubt his self-confidence, but he hasn't made any really big moves since he's been in Detroit and I don't believe he did a lot of that before Detroit. Making a big splash is not his style and we don't really know how good he would be at the negotiation part of trading. Being smart about player evaluation doesn't necessarily mean you will be equally good at making a blockbuster deal happen.

This could all come downs to Scott Harris' self-confidence level. How persuaded is he that he is smarter than the average GM? Is he confident enough that he can pick the return targets in a Skubal trade that with those '18 yrs of control' citing by Olney, he can build a mini-dynasty. Or is he in the "We can't blow this year's chance because the future is dark" camp? In the end, management personalities are often the difference.

I don’t see Olney saying anything in his video that people here haven’t said over and over, and there are a lot of things he is not saying, such as the impact of trading Skubal on the resulting attractiveness of Detroit to free agents. I guess Olney foresees several non-contending rebuilding seasons for the Tigers instead, and obviously, that works just fine for him. Not for nothing, I don’t see any stories from top writers like Olney about how the Braves should trade Ronald Acuna Jr for a huge prospect haul this winter before he leaves the Braves next winter and they get nothing but a comp pick which would be such a self-own and Alex Anthopoulos should get fired if he doesn’t make a trade this winter. Apparently, writers don’t want to help Acuna escape Atlanta the way they seem to want to help Skubal escape Detroit. Speaking just for me, I’m caring less about keeping Skubal only to lose him after next year than I would be about losing the opportunity to make strides in the playoffs this year. I would rather we take our best swing at a ring this year with Skubal in house and take a chance on falling short, than I would be trading Skubal, going through another rebuild, and hoping it all pays out in 2029. If you agree with me, then I guess I’m speaking for you, too.

To me, the difference is between having a chance to go deep in October with Skubal versus struggling to make the playoffs or to even hit the .500 mark without Skubal. I would rather hammer Harris after Skubal leaves next winter than after he leaves this winter.

A17 was the only nighttime launch of a Saturn V. one minor correction on that thing from Bluesky, what do we call them? It wasn’t the last Apollo mission. It was the last Apollo lunar mission. There was the Apollo Soyouz Test Project mission with the soviets. And the Skylab flights are officially considered Apollo missions.

Kent is more like Kinsler than guys like Grich and Whitaker.

mo seider for norris.

can the hall of fame get less relevant? what a joke.

Lions control their own destiny to the playoffs.

whomever trades for hughes will have worked out the extension beforehand, imo.

This is another good point. It means that 2026 is either UP or DOWN, all dependent on only ONE player (Skubal) that makes or breaks our season. I don't think that's a good place to be in, for any team. Also along those lines... I would think that we want to have 3 or 4 upper echelon stars on our team in order to have annual playoff hopes. At least. As a starting point. IMO. (These comments are not directed at you SoCal but at the general forum populace...) Which means... If Harris is looking at Clark-McGonigle as true top stars (sorry, I know this is only "potential"), and Tork/ Greene/ Carpenter/ Mize/ Keith? etc., etc., only as support players... and a team offers Harris what he believes can be an additional future (potential) top star or two or three... Shouldn't he take that offer? In order to have the requisite number of upper echelon stars that lead to annual playoff hunts? IMO... I believe he should be looking at exactly that.

They'll be getting a ton back for him in players that are either just getting in the league (think Roki Sasaki) or players in AAA (like top 20 prospects in the game). The return will help them. If they took the money they'd sign Skubal and shift it to someone like Kyle Tucker, they could rebuild the team VERY quickly. Clark and McGonigle are STUDS. They have a bery good chance to make it. Now they can also crap the bed, but they have a good chance to to make it. Then you have three. Not to mention, if they go after Bregman, that's one heck of a lineup at the end of this year..... They'll get a top pitching prospect back in return. They don't need him to be a #1. They need him to be a #2. Jobe should be back late this year/next year. he's your number one. The point is, the Tigers can do this if they use intelligence. But if they screw this up, it'll set them back to a huge degree. I always say look at the Angels when they screwed up Ohtani. This is the EXACT same thing.

Inge complained when the Tigers signed a HOF catcher and again when they signed a, then HOF 3B.