1984Echoes

Didn't help him at all. She's winning.

We did have 20 (my dad) camping/ hunting acres near Hart (south of Ludington) for all of 70's and 80's though... swam a lot in Lake Michigan and went to Sleeping Bear Sand Dunes several times...

It's been almost 50 years since I was up around Petoskey.

A-Hah! Now I know where I'm going to retire to...

McCarthy would be a hard NO. If it's Dems backing a Republican Speaker, it would have to be a serious centrist; certainly not Kevin McCarthy...

Don't waste your Penix on a Hooker. Nope... I'm out.

Long-term, that's the way I see it. Short-term, I'm hoping Trump is forced, and jumps, at going 3rd party anyways. I think that would create a certain level of destruction within the Republican party, which I want. And from the ashes... we'll see what kind of Phoenix will arise. Ideally, in my mind... a new Republican Party has to be more socially liberal than today's version. But I might just be wish-casting...

OR... When I see the nails in Trump's coffin. (referencing my post from above...).

I believe this is all true... I just want to hear the fat lady sing...

This is where I'd like to see Establishment Republicans (I have no idea how many remain in the house versus MAGA) appeal to Democrats with just such a candidate and a cross-aisle consensus gets an impartial Speaker with ~350 votes. Even Progressives would be on board with a consensus Republican impartial nominee versus a hyper-partisan MAGA nominee... I would like to believe. Although... that may require some negotiation that is just unworkable... Which Republican will agree with the Democrat side of the aisle in nominating a Speaker under the agreement that NO Impeachment or Hunter Biden inquiries will commence? And for that matter... even if that promise were given... how on earth could any Republican be trusted to keep their word/ that they are not lying?

+1

And the Vikings, and the Packers... But I know where you're coming from... (Sorry for he double entendre... 😉)

Gonna take a stab here... But I wanna do a 84Lives!!! Rushmore!!! So... The way I see it... it's not an exact replica of Mount Rushmore... instead, it's a hallway... On the left is the Old School side with largest/ greatest at the front, and going slightly smaller each carved-in-rock bust as we go towards the back. The second guy is going to be as much second due to a specific contribution to the game as his stats. For stats, I looked at OPS+ (ERA+ for pitchers), career WAR and Tigers WAR. I gave a "benefit of the doubt" credit to Hank Greenberg for losing basically 4 years to WWII (roughly 18 WAR'S worth due to, ironically, war). And I put two honorable mentions at the end of the hall for reasons I shall shortly explain. On the right side is a mirror image (different players of course) of Modern Day Tigers Rushmore players, with two honorable mentions at the back again. So my Tigers Mount Rushmore is in a wide canyon, with rock cliff-faces on both sides, carved with 4 Tigers Greats on each side... and souvenir stalls at the end of each side hawking honorable mentions, plastic models of Tigers Rushmore, guide books and history books and other such keepsakes. Greatest Tigers player, largest bust and at the front, Old School, is Ty Cobb of course. Easy decision. 168 lifetime OPS+, 145 lifetime Tigers WAR. Behind him is Hank Greenberg, lifetime OPS+ of 159, and, again, he had a Tigers WAR of 52.8 which puts him behind multiple Tigers greats, but lost roughly 18 WAR during his prime years due to WWII. He could have been 3rd on this side of the aisle (but with a 159 OPS+ versus Gehringer's 125 OPS+...). But not only that... he was a major hero in the Jewish world. He was their Joe Louis. I am putting Greenberg here as much for his cultural impact as for his (HUGE!) lifetime OPS+, and those missed prime years... Gehringer comes in behind Greenberg with an OPS+ of 125 and a lifetime Tigers WAR of 84.8 (3rd on the Tigers all-time list). And Harry Heilmann is my 4th carving on this side of the wall with a 148 OPS+ (3rd all-time for the Tigers) and 68.1 lifetime Tigers WAR. My honorable mentions Old School are Sam Crawford, who ended up JUST behind Heilmann with an OPS+ of 144 and a 63.7 lifetime Tigers WAR. And just to prove I am not biased against Tigers pitchers... an honorable mention to Hal Newhouser, with an ERA+ of 130 and a 58.7 lifetime Tigers WAR. Greatest Tigers player, largest bust and at the front, Modern Day Players, is Al Kaline of course. Easy decision. Mr. Tiger. 134 lifetime OPS+, 92.9 lifetime Tigers WAR (2nd all-time). Behind him is Miggy Cabrera, lifetime OPS+ of 142, and a Tigers WAR of 48.7. He has a pretty low Tigers WAR comparative to all the others, even the honorable mentions, but, like Greenberg, I am putting him second here as much for his cultural impact as for his numbers. He is the face, at least for the Tigers, of the new wave of dominant Latino players. And if he hadn't succumbed to weight/ knee/ health issues... he could have been even better. Now... I could put Tram & Whitaker ahead of him... but I'm going on the graciousness of those two pushing Cabrera in front of them. Even if, by the numbers (Tigers WAR... NOT by OPS+), those two may be ahead of him. But for graciousness. And a damn high OPS+ !!! On that same basis, Tram, as a gentleman, is going to demand that Whitaker go ahead of him. Whitaker/ Trammell: Whitaker OPS+ 117, lifetime Tigers WAR 75.1, Trammell OPS+ 110, lifetime Tigers WAR 70.7. My honorable mentions Modern Day Players are Norm Cash, giving Cabrera a run based on the following numbers: OPS+ of 139 and a 51.7 lifetime Tigers WAR. And just to prove I am not biased against Tigers pitchers... an honorable mention to Justin Verlander, with an ERA+ of 130 and a 56.5 lifetime Tigers WAR.

This is where I'm at right now. I was conflicted during the game... not knowing which direction to turn... But I wanna see this team, Campbell, and all of the young kids on this team get better and better each week right now... And I'll take as many wins as this team can get right now. This year.

PS: I DO however, have a kilt that looks damn close to that; a sporran, knee-high tartan socks, etc... Never that mohawk though. I was surrounded though, by friends in all-black including lipstick, or purple hair teased into a wild Robert Smith hairdo...

Vikings trying to prove they're as good as their record...

Dude, it's been a long time since I looked like that!!!

That's sort of what I thought... And that's OK... having a backup who is a competent backup and be able to do backup things is good enough... ... for a #4 RB. If Swift wasn't so breakable he could be a #3. JJ seems decent enough in the return game and catching the ball out of the backfield... so he has some usefulness methinks. But with Swift's porcelain running and health... that means we need another RB that could potentially take over as the bellcow/ gamebreaker. That's not Jamaal (tough yards) or JJ (solid backup only)... I'm thinking about the draft next year of course... 2nd to 5th round RB with speed & athleticism & (yikes! ... "Potential" !!!)

Anybody watch Justin Jackson on the field...? Thoughts on him...?

I am sooo freaking conflicted... I mean, I want them to win... NO, WAIT, they need to lose for draft position! But I want them to win... But they NEED TO LOSE...!!! But I WANT them to WIN!!! Wait... they won...!!!! How was I supposed to feel about that???

3 sacks in 1...!!!

Could be a bone bruise if he got kicked or something like that...

I have it as 221-214 at the moment... regarding those last 5... Dems currently have AZ01 (equals 214...) But need to steal the other 4 to maintain control... 3 of those are within reach of possibly doing that but the 4th (CA22) seems out of reach (never say never...). Which says the House could end up at 218-217... for either party.

Independent since 1990. Due to hindsight review of Reagan and deciding he wasn't so terrible after all. Was extremely liberal in college before that... 95% still caucus with Dems. Not too many Republican votes but I've had a few. Including a key one I made in 2004 on ethical grounds that... I may have made a mistake on... Trump is a fucking pig. Scum. Lying POS who F's people over for a living. Corrupt/ amoral to his marrow. A fascist scumbag through and through. And he's been that way for over 40+ years. I hate him. I've always hated him. I will never NOT hate him. And he opened up Pandora's Fascist White Trash Bigoted Republicans Box. I'm in a fight to the death in trying to keep my Democracy and not have it MAGA-handed over to Trump's wannabe fascist dictatorship. Thank you everyone who voted against this POS and any of his lying fascist followers. As a white almost 60 y.o. male, I want to say a thank you to all the women, young kids, and POC that have helped save this country from Trump's fascism. A special kudos to ALL of you!!!

A few issues/ questions: 1) Do the Moderate/ Establishment Republicans want to to take back their party from MAGA Republicans? Now is the time to do it. Trumpublicans got nearly wiped out this cycle. Republicans all over the map are bashing Trump. Donors included... Do moderate Republicans wanna make a Power Move? Nominate a centrist Republican for Speaker and whip Dems to see if they'll climb on board for a vote. Nominate a centrist/ moderate Republican and I bet nearly 100% of Dems will back his/ her candidacy. Better being tied in the middle and repudiating McCarthy/ MTG and that ilk... and attempt to bring back sanity to the party. Now is the time to take that chance. Just my 2 cents. 2) Don't face voters again for 2 years. That's time to not fall under the sway of the Crazies/ MAGA/ QAnon crap... Legislate instead of investigate... And have the time to allow for Trump's complete and total fall from grace (he is already WELL on his way)/ figure out a way to keep or hold onto MAGA while Trump drifts off into Purgatory (no easy task)/ as well as the time to create some kind of future direction that Republicans can sell to AMERICANS and not just MAGA. But that's just me...