buddha Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, mtutiger said: The general political position of any state isn't a selling point for me in any direction.... if it were, I would have never moved to Texas in the first place. And if I leave, it's going to be because the stars align career wise, not because of politics. My only point is that one's perspective may be different when you live center-left in a state dominated by GOP politicians. it isnt mine either. i was just making a joke. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 9 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Since they are unborn babies, does Illinois allow you to claim them as dependents? Does Illinois allow you to use them to collect assistance? nope, but you sure can kill em! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 minute ago, buddha said: nope, but you sure can kill em! You can't kill something that isn't alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: You can't kill something that isn't alive. ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 25 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: You can't kill something that isn't alive. This always gets me. At what magical moment is it alive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Tigeraholic1 said: This always gets me. At what magical moment is it alive? When it can breathe and you know, live, on it's own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: When it can breathe and you know, live, on it's own. So if a baby is born, but requires a vent to breath we should let it die? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 9 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: So if a baby is born, but requires a vent to breath we should let it die? No but a fetus that will not survive even with a ventilator is not a baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: No but a fetus that will not survive even with a ventilator is not a baby. Yes the magical metamorphosis from a Fetus to a Baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 23 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: When it can breathe and you know, live, on it's own. so not birth, right? just at the moment modern medicine could keep the baby alive on its own? so about 20-24 weeks? i'm pretty sure most countries have a prohibition on abortions after that time period. likewise, almost all abortions in the us occur before that time. i'd be fine with a national ban on abortions after 20 or 22 weeks. would you? the "heartbeat bill" are too extreme, imo. even as someone who hates abortion and the way we talk about it sometimes, it is still legal and occasionally necessary and i cant agree with those bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Just now, Tigeraholic1 said: Yes the magical metamorphosis from a Fetus to a Baby. I guess it's the same as the metamorphosis from sperm to baby. We should outlaw masturbation. Imagine how many babies have been killed in a wadded up Kleenex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 What books are being banned? I'm really curious because I haven't heard of that happening. The problem with abortion is that its all or nothing. There are a few scenarios where abortion is warranted, however, abortion should not be used or allowed as a form of birth control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Just now, buddha said: so not birth, right? just at the moment modern medicine could keep the baby alive on its own? so about 20-24 weeks? i'm pretty sure most countries have a prohibition on abortions after that time period. likewise, almost all abortions in the us occur before that time. i'd be fine with a national ban on abortions after 20 or 22 weeks. would you? the "heartbeat bill" are too extreme, imo. even as someone who hates abortion and the way we talk about it sometimes, it is still legal and occasionally necessary and i cant agree with those bills. I'm not a doctor so I don't know the exact time but I was responding to your trolling about coming to Illinois to kill babies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said: Nah, life is too short to get into anatomy measuring contests. Plus if I let it all out it might embarrass you You will embarrass yourself before you embarrass me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Archie said: What books are being banned? I'm really curious because I haven't heard of that happening. The problem with abortion is that its all or nothing. There are a few scenarios where abortion is warranted, however, abortion should not be used or allowed as a form of birth control. https://www.npr.org/2021/10/28/1050013664/texas-lawmaker-matt-krause-launches-inquiry-into-850-books I'm a big fan of local control, so this appears to be (yet another) big government move by Texas Republicans to tell ISDs and libraries how to run themselves. All in the name of culture war politics. Edited November 24, 2021 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 29 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I'm not a doctor so I don't know the exact time but I was responding to your trolling about coming to Illinois to kill babies. you brought up abortion with respect to illinois, not me. and i wasnt trolling you, i think an abortion is killing a baby. its legal, but that's what it is. people just change the language to make themselves feel better that its just a medical procedure and no big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 57 minutes ago, mtutiger said: https://www.npr.org/2021/10/28/1050013664/texas-lawmaker-matt-krause-launches-inquiry-into-850-books I'm a big fan of local control, so this appears to be (yet another) big government move by Texas Republicans to tell ISDs and libraries how to run themselves. All in the name of culture war politics. WOW. I wonder if he sat down and read all of those. I will agree some books don't belong in certain schools do to maturity issues but don't believe in banning them all together. What does it matter with everything available on the internet? The curriculum being taught in schools is most important. Also, why do some of you like to label someone a "troll" because you don't agree with them. A troll is someone that only posts to inflame and not provide any worthwhile content. While I don't agree with a lot of you opinions it doesn't mean I think you are a troll. I found only one person here meets the description of a troll and finally had to ignore him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Archie said: WOW. I wonder if he sat down and read all of those. I will agree some books don't belong in certain schools do to maturity issues but don't believe in banning them all together. What does it matter with everything available on the internet? The curriculum being taught in schools is most important. Also, why do some of you like to label someone a "troll" because you don't agree with them. A troll is someone that only posts to inflame and not provide any worthwhile content. While I don't agree with a lot of you opinions it doesn't mean I think you are a troll. I found only one person here meets the description of a troll and finally had to ignore him. You are not a troll. I disagree with most of your political opinions, but they are honest opinions not designed to agitate us. As previously discussed, there is one troll here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 37 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: You are not a troll. I disagree with most of your political opinions, but they are honest opinions not designed to agitate us. As previously discussed, there is one troll here. correct. There's also room for old fashioned ball busting between sides. But someone showing up with guns blazing with no prior history posting... that's a sign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: When it can breathe and you know, live, on it's own. 'viable' or 'able to 'live' on it's own is one of those interesting terms that doesn't bear too much thought. It just a matter of time-scales I suppose. The average 5 yr old on it's own would be dead in few days of dehydration if left in most places on the planet. The same would probably be true of the average full grown adult, only on a slightly longer time scale (they might find water but would probably still starve pretty quickly. We are none-of-us all that 'viable'. 🤔 Edited November 24, 2021 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 8 hours ago, Archie said: They both do but I simply point out the left is much worse. But it's the right that shits all over people. It's the right that paints swastikas on synagogues and murders black kids in churches. And calls other people "from shithole countries' or good Americans "Jihadists". It's the white trash scumbag bigots that are the worst lowlifes in this scenario. Who treats everyone else with absolute contempt if they're a different color, or religion, or ethnicity. You're nowhere close to the truth on this one Archie Bunker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 7 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: You can't kill something that isn't alive. It is alive. Dependent. On its mother. But alive. Not yet an independent human being. And if there's a miscarriage or other mishap it may never become independent. But it is alive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 6 hours ago, buddha said: so not birth, right? just at the moment modern medicine could keep the baby alive on its own? so about 20-24 weeks? i'm pretty sure most countries have a prohibition on abortions after that time period. likewise, almost all abortions in the us occur before that time. i'd be fine with a national ban on abortions after 20 or 22 weeks. would you? the "heartbeat bill" are too extreme, imo. even as someone who hates abortion and the way we talk about it sometimes, it is still legal and occasionally necessary and i cant agree with those bills. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 6 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: No but a fetus that will not survive even with a ventilator is not a baby. Yet if we find living organisms on Mars that’s proof of life. I will once again reference the third Reich and Hitler. He convinced millions of his followers that Jews were to be slaughtered. To accomplish this he convinced them to stop seeing Jews as humans. This allowed them “feel” as they were following orders and for the betterment of society, no remorse or guilt. Society has done that with Babies AKA fetus’s. Once we lose compassion it’s just obeying the laws. The anger and stomping of feet when challenged about it is beyond comprehension to me. But, hey if we don’t allow abortions all of these fetus’s will grow to become strains on society and probably criminals. If we view them as a fetus there is no murder so no guilt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 33 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: ... But, hey if we don’t allow abortions all ... It's the mother's choice. End of discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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