Mr.TaterSalad Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 6 hours ago, RandyMarsh said: Its a fine line between giving a GM/Coach too much rope or cutting them too early. Yeah the Lions haven't made the progress in the win/loss department like I hoped but unlike with Quinntricia I can see some positive things that Holmes/Campbell have brought to the table despite that. I believe Holmes knows what he is doing and while Campbell has made some mistakes on the field that is only one part of being a HC and maybe the most insignificant part at that. When your mistakes on the field cost you games they are no longer insignificant though. Campbell cost us the Baltimore game last year and the Minnesota game this year with coaching blunders. That can't happen. You should never be talking about coaching as a direct reason that you lose a game and we've had that conversation one a season so far with Campbell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 14 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: When your mistakes on the field cost you games they are no longer insignificant though. Campbell cost us the Baltimore game last year and the Minnesota game this year with coaching blunders. That can't happen. You should never be talking about coaching as a direct reason that you lose a game and we've had that conversation one a season so far with Campbell. I think saying he "cost us" those games is a bit of a stretch. I would those games a step or two below Schwartz throwing a challenge flag on a play that was already under review against the Texans (and costing us a TD in a game we lost by 3 in OT), or Caldwell inexplicably protecting the sidelines against Aaron Rodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 I always felt like Hock was much better than Ebron. Maybe it was Ebron's drops, and that Hock never had any real talent surrounding him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 1 hour ago, MichiganCardinal said: I think saying he "cost us" those games is a bit of a stretch. I would those games a step or two below Schwartz throwing a challenge flag on a play that was already under review against the Texans (and costing us a TD in a game we lost by 3 in OT), or Caldwell inexplicably protecting the sidelines against Aaron Rodgers. I think if Campbell doesn't use the timeout in the way he did in the Baltimore game we have a better chance at winning that game. With the Minnesota game he's got a twofer with the decision kick the field goal (which he admitted cost us the game) and the errant use of a timeout to stop the clock when Minnesota was driving without any timeouts left, instead of allowing the running clock to continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: I think if Campbell doesn't use the timeout in the way he did in the Baltimore game we have a better chance at winning that game. With the Minnesota game he's got a twofer with the decision kick the field goal (which he admitted cost us the game) and the errant use of a timeout to stop the clock when Minnesota was driving without any timeouts left, instead of allowing the running clock to continue. I think those are all fair criticisms, but I think they are arguable. There is a position you can take to defend those decisions, and had they gone the other way, they’d already be forgotten. To say a single decision cost us a 60-minute football game is a very high bar. YMMV. Edited November 5, 2022 by MichiganCardinal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 On 11/5/2022 at 1:05 PM, MichiganCardinal said: I always felt like Hock was much better than Ebron. Maybe it was Ebron's drops, and that Hock never had any real talent surrounding him. Well, keep in mind that Hock played 47 games with the Lions vs. Ebron's 56. So, on a per game basis: Ebron: Yards: 37 Receptions: 3.32 TDs: 0.2 Hock: Yards: 44 Receptions: 4.23 TDs: 0.32 Now, while those are better numbers, they are phenomenally better. Which makes me think the trade was a better idea. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, RedRamage said: Well, keep in mind that Hock played 47 games with the Lions vs. Ebron's 56. So, on a per game basis: Ebron: Yards: 37 Receptions: 3.32 TDs: 0.2 Hock: Yards: 44 Receptions: 4.23 TDs: 0.32 Now, while those are better numbers, they are phenomenally better. Which makes me think the trade was a better idea. I think you left out the critical 'not', but having done that myself more then once, the point is taken.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 7, 2022 Author Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, RedRamage said: ... Now, while those are better numbers, they are NOT phenomenally better. Which makes me think the trade was a better idea. 👆 FTFY. 😁 Edited November 7, 2022 by 1984Echoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 If Dan Campbell does get fired (and I do think it's possible)...............Shane Waldron will be the next Head Coach. I wish I could bet money on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 I wish I could bet money that Campbell isn't getting fired minus some serious off the field issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I wish I could bet money that Campbell isn't getting fired minus some serious off the field issue. Last week he got away with one. You just sign a punter to the richest punter contract in history and you don't use him to pin Rodgers inside his own 10? Instead you give Rodgers half a field after what he's done to you for years? Stupidly lucky and an indication that he just don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Everyone bitched after the Minnesota game that he didn't go for it on 4th down, now they complain when he did go for it and they still won. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Everyone bitched after the Minnesota game that he didn't go for it on 4th down, now they complain when he did go for it and they still won. Not everything is equal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Motor City Sonics said: Not everything is equal. sure, but no matter what happens, you'll complain and say campbell should be fired. "if the lions cared about their fans..." 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, buddha said: sure, but no matter what happens, you'll complain and say campbell should be fired. "if the lions cared about their fans..." 🙂 Yes, because he's a clown. Marty Morningwheg with better quotes. I've seen enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Lions currently have the 3rd easiest remaining schedule based off opponents expected winning percentage so Campbell and co. could rack up some wins here in the 2nd half. On a side note the hardest schedule is the Patriots with a combined expected winning percentage of their opponents of 54% vs. the easiest schedule at 46%. So you're only talking 8 percentage points between easiest and hardest, really puts into perspective the parity in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Can we offer them Aaron Glenn while they're at it? twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/1592186515299655681?s=20&t=T6QtAOwnyetAnup6mA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 This great QB class is turning out to be a dud. The non QBs of this draft have been great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 its too early to judge the class. of course it wont reach the heights that draft "experts" said it would, these are the same people who said mitch trubisky was better than patrick mahomes. its shouldnt be a surprise that trevor lawrence cant single handedly uplift a terrible jacksonville franchise, that party boy one year wonder johnny manziel clone zach wilson is having trouble in another historically bad franchise, that mac jones is a limited qb, that trey lance is hurt, and that justin fields is a great running back playing qb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 If you traded Justin Fields for Lamar Jackson straight up do you think Fields could be as good as Lamar is on the Ravens? Isn't Lamar just a RB playing QB? Could Fields find the success Lamar has if he was on a well coached team with a good offensive line and a legit weapon or two around him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 43 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: If you traded Justin Fields for Lamar Jackson straight up do you think Fields could be as good as Lamar is on the Ravens? Isn't Lamar just a RB playing QB? Could Fields find the success Lamar has if he was on a well coached team with a good offensive line and a legit weapon or two around him? any qb would look good with a good offensive line and good weapons around him. jared goff isnt that good of a qb but he's looked pretty darn good when the oline holds up, swift is healthy, and the lions mighty mite receivers are open. fields could turn into lamar jackson (who hasnt won anything, btw, and isnt exactly playing on an offensive juggernaut right now) or he could be mitch trubisky (who played pretty well on a 12-4 bears team a few years ago). as i said before its too early to make any conclusions on that qb draft class yet. you should come to chicago, where justin fields has already been annointed as the next aaron rogers and tom brady combined into one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 On 11/14/2022 at 10:43 AM, chasfh said: Can we offer them Aaron Glenn while they're at it? twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/1592186515299655681?s=20&t=T6QtAOwnyetAnup6mA aaron glenn has looked a lot better once he started coaching dbs and calling the defense. he's also going to get some serious looks as a head coaching candidate next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 3 hours ago, buddha said: aaron glenn has looked a lot better once he started coaching dbs and calling the defense. he's also going to get some serious looks as a head coaching candidate next year. He will get a few Rooney rule interviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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