RandyMarsh Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Just now, Hongbit said: I’ve already shared my issues with PFF rankings but these are just dumb. Seriously, how much value can you put in a ranking of all NFL rookies that doesn’t have Micah Parsons at #1. Their rankings are essentially clickbait at this point. They have a separate list for most valuable but unfortunately it's behind a paywall. Fwiw I think Mac Jones was the most valuable just cause how important the qb position is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 8 hours ago, buddha said: if he falls to the late 20s you take him. i dont think he will fall that far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 One more thing about PFF ratings, they maybe great to measure how a player does in a vacuum but they don't necessarily correlate to the impact they made on the field. For instance if a WR runs a great route and gets open he gets a positive grade even if the QB misses him and throws to somebody else or the pass is incomplete due to a bad throw. So theoretically he could run 30 great routes and get 30 positive plays and a high grade but end up with 0 catches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 hours ago, RandyMarsh said: Pff put out their top 15 highest graded rookies and St. Brown was 6th overall and Sewell 11th. On a down note I'm still kinda upset that we passed on JOK in the 2nd who was 15th overall on that list. Ill give Holmes a pass on that though cause apparently he had some medical issues that scared teams off but boy if we would've taken him instead of Levi this draft would have been an even bigger home run. To be fair, I think the jury is still out on Levi. He is transitioning roles a bit in the NFL, but he still had some really good games (though was bullied in others). I am hopeful for what a full off-season will bring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1984Echoes Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Well that should give them a good look at these guys... Fortuitous insider's look if they like these two guys... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 i could see the lions taking one of those two with the rams pick. maybe with their second rounder. i'm getting the feeling were going to see 4 or 5 qbs in round one. so many teams need one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 If they take one at this point Im hoping it's Howell. I feel like he was put in a bad situation this year with all the talent that UNC lost. He still showed flashes of his ability that made him the top qb coming into the season and potential top 5 pick but he made too many mistakes which has hurt his stock. I like to think alot of those mistakes were from trying to do the proverbial too much with the football. Early in the season he was getting destroyed due to the terrible o line so I think he started forcing throws and things in general. With that said Im not completely sold on him and like every other qb this year I think there is a good chance they dont amount to anything better than just an average starter but if they feel they have to take one I think Howell may be the best option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) Sam Howell made a poor choice of schools. He’s probably never even met Mitchell Trubisky but they look so similar on tape running around and use their legs to make plays in the powder blue jerseys. They said the same things about the talent level around him as for why Mitch didn’t win more games at UNC. Edited January 14, 2022 by Hongbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 There's definitely a good chance he ends up no better than Trubisky but I feel the same way about the rest of the qbs that potentially will be available with the Rams pick which is why I would pass if it was me. Just saying that IF they go the route I think Howell has the best shot at being a plus qb, he may not have the upside of a Willis but I think he has a better chance of reaching his upside which may be a borderline top 10 guy if all the stars align. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: There's definitely a good chance he ends up no better than Trubisky but I feel the same way about the rest of the qbs that potentially will be available with the Rams pick which is why I would pass if it was me. Just saying that IF they go the route I think Howell has the best shot at being a plus qb, he may not have the upside of a Willis but I think he has a better chance of reaching his upside which may be a borderline top 10 guy if all the stars align. Howell is much more experienced. Trubisky was really a one year wonder that declared after having started only 1 year. I do think the similarities may scare some teams since Howell didn’t have a great season. Had he played better than I think any comparisons would’ve been just fan talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted January 16, 2022 Author Share Posted January 16, 2022 I don't want the Lions to burn a 1st through 4th round pick on a QB this year. However, if he's still there in the 5th round, I'd love to take a flyer out on the Ivy League QB from Brown EJ Perry. The Draft Network: EJ Perry Scouting Report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Kipers latest mock has us taking Thibs and Sam Howell. On a side note he has Willis as the first QB off the board at 11 to Washington. Also has Pickett and Corrall in the top 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said: Kipers latest mock has us taking Thibs and Sam Howell. On a side note he has Willis as the first QB off the board at 11 to Washington. Also has Pickett and Corrall in the top 20. i'd be fine with that. then take a receiver. but i dont think howell lasts that long. too many teams need qbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 If the Eagles called you up and said they would trade you picks #15 and #16 plus a future pick for #2 overall would you do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: If the Eagles called you up and said they would trade you picks #15 and #16 plus a future pick for #2 overall would you do it? No no no. Im not sure that 3 picks in the mid teens would be close to the #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: If the Eagles called you up and said they would trade you picks #15 and #16 plus a future pick for #2 overall would you do it? I would assuming the future pick is a 1st rounder. I'm not sold on the Eagles being a good team next year. Three 1st rounders this year plus the 2nd pick of the 2nd round could be four starters and you have three 1sts next year if you needed to trade for a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Id do that trade in a heartbeat. We'd have 4 of the top 34 picks this year as well as 3 first rounders next year. We could potentially get 4 good players this year, then next year with the 3 1st round picks have the ammunition needed to move up in the draft to take a premium qb if we want to go that direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 51 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: If the Eagles called you up and said they would trade you picks #15 and #16 plus a future pick for #2 overall would you do it? going from 2 to 15 is a LOOOOOOOOONG drop. has anyone ever dropped that far in round one? you better come with multiple future #1s. in other words, it would never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 24 minutes ago, buddha said: going from 2 to 15 is a LOOOOOOOOONG drop. has anyone ever dropped that far in round one? you better come with multiple future #1s. in other words, it would never happen. Miami traded 3 for 12 and netted three 1st round picks. Eagles have 3 1st round picks this year and 1 next year. I would gladly trade the 2nd for all 4. I would think I would do the 2nd for 2 this year and a 1st next year and maybe some mid level picks mixed in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Most years I wouldnt want to drop that far but if you go by all the pundits grades the guys at 1 and 2 are in the low 90s just like guys in the teens and twenties so it's all about value. Usually you have a 97 or 98 at the top 2 or 3 and by 15 it drops to 92 or 93 but not this year. I think the highest grade I've seen for KT and Hutch is 94 which is only marginally better than the mid to late 1st round guys are graded. So if you can pick up a couple extra 1sts and a mid round pick to get a player of equal skill level why wouldn't you do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: Most years I wouldnt want to drop that far but if you go by all the pundits grades the guys at 1 and 2 are in the low 90s just like guys in the teens and twenties so it's all about value. Usually you have a 97 or 98 at the top 2 or 3 and by 15 it drops to 92 or 93 but not this year. I think the highest grade I've seen for KT and Hutch is 94 which is only marginally better than the mid to late 1st round guys are graded. So if you can pick up a couple extra 1sts and a mid round pick to get a player of equal skill level why wouldn't you do it? That and the fact I don't think Philadelphia will be good next year. That future 1st could be a top 10 pick. Could be worth rolling the dice on. The Giants went from 11 to 20 last year and this year ended up getting the 7th overall pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: If the Eagles called you up and said they would trade you picks #15 and #16 plus a future pick for #2 overall would you do it? No. We need impact players not versions of Decker at other positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said: Most years I wouldnt want to drop that far but if you go by all the pundits grades the guys at 1 and 2 are in the low 90s just like guys in the teens and twenties so it's all about value. Usually you have a 97 or 98 at the top 2 or 3 and by 15 it drops to 92 or 93 but not this year. I think the highest grade I've seen for KT and Hutch is 94 which is only marginally better than the mid to late 1st round guys are graded. So if you can pick up a couple extra 1sts and a mid round pick to get a player of equal skill level why wouldn't you do it? This group players too far together. It's never that close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: That and the fact I don't think Philadelphia will be good next year. That future 1st could be a top 10 pick. Could be worth rolling the dice on. The Giants went from 11 to 20 last year and this year ended up getting the 7th overall pick. 11 is a lot different than 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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