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My views on this topic are as follows. I am against abortion on a personal level. I am a single male in his 30s and acknowledge that the burden of any restrictions do not affect me. The best way to be pro life is to live pro life. While abstinence until marriage is unrealistic, abstinence until a serious relationship isn't. Speaking primarily to men here: anybody out sleeping around and taking home a different drunk girl of their choice every weekend should probably sit this one out. You can't be pro life if you don't live pro life. I am against overly restrictive laws on abortions for a lot of the things Oblong pointed out. They target a lot of gray area and other women's health issues. And right now, I don't trust the current GOP crop to consider that nuance in a fair way that isn't going to cause a lot of people a lot of undue harm.

Also. Another pro of abortion. It probably saved us from about a half dozen extra Trump spawn.

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buddha makes a lot of sense here, even if I dont completely agree. You might know where I stand on this. Glad to see Roe go. Procedurally, if Roe is gone and replaced by laws allowing abortion, thats democracy. I agree with protecting life as early as practicable for one simple common sense reason that has nothing to do with religion: I identify with the unborn because that was me one day long ago, and that was every one of you too. All the rest of the disscussion is negotiation...not judging honest discussion one way or another. Carry on. I will not be responding but I will be reading.

The hard left wants to be like Norway. The hard right wants to be like the Taliban. Both are the same I guess.

The point you appeared to be making was that you want us to stop talking about the Republicans' off-the-deep-end abortion policy, which is a major issue for millions of people, and get us talking about some manufactured outrage that has happened maybe six times, tops. The abortion issue is the only issue at issue at the moment. Attempting to whatabout a completely unrelated topic into the mix is, as the kids of 2007 say, weak sauce.

abortion is a medical procedure and decisions about it should be left between a woman and her doctor. Not some old blue haired hag and her pervert pastor husband who thinks the Earth is 6000 years old. Those are the people that will be making these laws in ass backwards states like Mississippi. A teenager raped by her father will have less rights than the rapist. I call them crazies because their opposition and reasoning on abortion law is based on religious beliefs. The idea that "God will sort it all out, it's God's will, etc.". The concept of a God, god, Allah, Yahweh, etc. should never be factored into a law. We can't have 50 states with 50 abortion laws. There's already talk of some states making it a crime to go into another state to get an abortion where it's legal. Spend some time in a neo natal unit and among high risk pregnancy groups where families have to make very difficult and painful decision and then report back. Partial Birth abortion isn't about some woman deciding in month 8 that she doesn't want a kid anymore..... it's much more complicated than that. Nobody gets one that wants one. They want the baby. Nature decided against it and made it risky to have one and now you'll make criminals out of the doctor and mother. But hey.. tell me again you are pro life because I don't believe you.

The day that the men passing anti-abortion bills actually care more about babies than women will be a cold one in hell my friend.

I frankly don't care about the sanctity of the court or the politics right now. I care about the women and their families that will be hurt by this. Young girls, victims of rape, and middle aged mothers with high school kids facing a health crisis with an unplanned and shocking pregnancy at age 45 will end up dying. All because of 5 justices who think our country should be a theocracy.

* ^ THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO STAY OUT OF OUR LIVES ! *except for Women ^except for Gays

There's some evidence that the Tigers bullpen is over-performing. The BABIP is only .244 (26th) and their LOB% is 79.1% (4th). These are usually luck-based stats that are normally near league average by the end of the year (these numbers would be ranked 30th and 1st last year). Their strikeout rate is 22.6%, which is below league average. The main reason their ERA is so low is that they have only allowed 3 home runs all year, the lowest in baseball. Meanwhile, they have a 41..6% fly ball rate, 5th highest in baseball. They can't continue to allow that many fly balls with so little home runs. Their xFIP is 3.91, almost 2 runs worse than their ERA of 1.97. Are they better than last year? So far, yes. But my bet is that they will be near league average by the end of the season.

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I was asking a serious question, twice, about what we should do with the 750,000 or so more additional babies that presumably would be born once abortion is outlawed throughout America. In a abortion-is-outlawed world, through the years, millions of girls and women, many of whom are young teen and preteen girls coerced into having sex in the first place by adult men, would be compelled to carry the child to term and raise it themselves, as the father takes himself out of the picture, the girl gives up schooling that might better her life to take whatever low paying no-health-care-giving job she can get, trying to raise the child in impoverished circumstances, all while being criticized for even being a single mother, and ultimately resenting her child and the damage that having it did to her life while taking out her frustrations on that kid throughout his childhood as he ends up drifting who knows where, all while putting billions of dollars in additional strain on the public assistance system. Add on top of that the hundreds of thousands of girls and women who would keep taking their chances on illegal abortions, frequently unsafe, and this would result in many multiples more deaths on abortion tables than the single digit number per year that occurs today. I know the hardcore anti-abortion people give less than a shit about the mothers, since they tend to dismiss such women and girls as sluts out slutting around, so hell yes they should get the punishment they deserve by being forced to raise a baby. But it's worth remembering that the women and girls are not the only ones who would suffer here. The baby—the part of this equation these anti-choicers purport to be all so, so concerned about—is also in a very bad spot as well. If this entire debate is all about the baby and not really about the mother—is that the case for anyone here?—then sure, that would make some case that abortion should always be illegal in all circumstances. And it looks like that sooner than later, they're gonna get their wish. But remember: in a handmaid's world, once the baby is born, it's not as simple as life wins and the job is complete. God help that baby afterwards, because in most cases, it is going to be a very bad ride for that kid.

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to be fair, despite my hyperbole, most people who consider themselves Pro Life don't think about this like we do here. I understand that. But someone has to. Too many people are legislating to try to control what they think is immoral behavior. Its more than that.

We accommodate more than 750K of freedom seeking refugees each year don’t we? To think a good portion of these babies may grow up to be good people? I know I’m reaching, dirty little evil babies I know.

exactly as the founders wanted it.

they tried the same BS in Bush v Gore, writing that this case is such complete bunk it should never be cited ever again by any attorney. of course, it is continually cited ever since if you are knocking out the main pillar of substantive due process after 50 years, it is 100% complete BS that the other substantive due process cases are somehow safe. that language is useless and he knows it. that is very much like the Roberts court, trying to make sure they implement their take-over gradually

I don't think much can be done.... The conversation here was probably one of the more civil ones online today, and yet you still have words like "Nazi" and "Pharisee" and "murder" and "fascism" being thrown around. There's just too much division on this issue, which is a big reason why I try to avoid talking about it most of the time.

but isnt that - and some of your other arguments on democracy - the argument to get rid of roe? and send it back to the states and the "people" to vote and decide? as an aside, i think the erosion in unity and acceptance of authority in american institutions is a huge issue brought on mostly by social media. turns out, its difficult to keep a nation of 350 million people together. a republic, if we can keep it. perhaps we cant?

I've read a lot of the comments here and some I agree with and some I don't. Mtu is dead on with this comment. Rape, insest and medical issues need to be considered. Telling a rape victim she must carry a child for almost a year after the crime is cruel and unusual punishment. There has to be way to stop the mass abortions and still have it available for certain situations. This is the problem with both sides and the all or nothing mentality.

Many people believe this to be true. I include myself in this.

the complaint was that sotomayor asked gorsuch to wear a mask and he refused so she did it via zoom. they both came out and said that's not true. that is the objective fact of the story. the rest is your projecting your dislike for gorsuch. 😉

I wonder if we refer to the kids killed at Oxford High as aborted if Republicans would change their stance on guns?

I regret a lot of things in my life, including criticizing Hillary Clinton the way I did back in 2015/2016. The one thing I don't regret though, is deciding to vote for Hillary Clinton in the end. Had she been elected President we wouldn't be here.

She's also in a blue state. Joe Manchin is a Democrat but is very difficult to get to vote accordingly.

I for one respect your opinion. Millions of Jews murdered and Millions of babies aborted equates to millions of lives lost. They both make me sad and reflective.

Just my two cents, but comparing abortion to the Holocaust really trivializes what happened during the Holocaust. And if one harbors pro-life views, it's probably a line that's more of a negative than a positive toward promoting those views. I'll leave it at that.

But, but, every sperm is sacred..

We'll see. If states adopt rigorous abortion bans in the wake of a repeal, it will deeply offend my sense of fairness, but not my sense of political process.

i was making a joke. its an internet message board, the only victims here are logic and reason.

They don't care about the "babies". To them women who get abortions are sluts who dare to have sex outside of marriage. Rape victims had it coming by wearing a skirt and black bra. Fuck the religious right. They are evil. All of them. They only care about "babies" as a tool to gain political power. I know this is just a game to you but real people are going to get hurt.

Except states are rushing to ban it at 6 weeks before women even know they are pregnant. Overturning Roe allows them to do it.

we are literally turning into pre-civil war Iraq, a country with a religious minority dominating a larger majority. We saw where that got Iraq in the end.

There was no real flu season from 2020-2021 because of quarantines, masking, and social distancing, so there was nothing to build off when coming up with the vaccine for 2021-2022. It's always a guess based on what we see evolve from the warmer climates as they transition to cooler climates and the flu makes its way north during the summer/fall but even more so this time. Also an increase in vax skepticism so many didn't get their shot for reasons.

I believe the silly part is thinking 1.5 points will fix it. Wake me up when rates are > 8%.

Democrats will probably be out in their pink hats and maybe tear down a statue while their at it. That'll show em.

It's almost like they should have started doing this years ago.

I'll go out on a limb and say every justice that ruled in favor of overturning Roe was appointed by a president that didn't win the popular vote with the exception of Thomas.

just perfect

This should help the Democrats in future elections.

also: Susan Collins: fvck you and "both parties are the same" dummies: fvck you

no toronto, no boston, no colorado, no st louis, no pittsburgh. the rangers would suck because its new york and youd never hear the end of it from espn. i have a friend who is a kings fan and he can be annoyingly smug when his teams win so no kings. the wild seemed to be real dicka this year when we played them and that one guy slammed lucas' head on the ice so no minnesota. the hurricanes organization just seem like dicks on twitter so no canes. do i really nees to see kenny holland lift the cup after destroying the wings? no oilers. dallas and nashville are non entities to me now. so calgary, tampa, washington, florida. i still kinda root for tampa because its still stevie's team. plus theyre playing the leafs.

Harold Castro can't play 3B. but that doesn't stop Hinch from playing him there.

So I can finish this story today. The check from Westinghouse did arrive, after which I ordered the part. The part arrived today. I paid not the $320 the service firm had quoted on their work estimate, but $150 - for a factory certified new part. It took about 20 min to install the board, test function, and re-assemble the door. No more dead dishwasher! All in all, considering Westinghouse effectively paid me > $200/hr to fix their dishwasher - NOT a peeve.

I accidentally pasted this link again and the site won't let me delete it so fuck it here it is again.

Not really sure where to put this and am pretty sure most everyone has already seen this dated article on the The Bird. Really good read for Tiger fans looking for something to smile about these days. https://vault.si.com/vault/2001/07/02/mark-fidrych-in-1976-the-bird-flew-into-baseball-free-of-guile-a-little-bit-gullible-and-absolutely-lovable-twenty-five-years-later-hes-the-same-rare-bird