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You really need to tone it down.

all I would add on the debate about Chris Ilitch is the question of how much resource he is willing to commit pales in proportion to the question tof whether he has put management in place capable of winning with any resource level. Going all the way back to when Tom Monaghan bought the franchise from Fetzer, FO competence has always been a bigger road block than ownership resourcing.

btw, i think its interesting that the league fines edwards for using a homophonic slur on instagram, which he apologized for, but doesnt say anything to kyrie for all his shenanigans, and instead just issued a generic "lets love everybody" press release. where's lebron and his outrage? i mean, when someone dared "like" a tweet about china lebron was all about lecturing him about how he needs to get educated about chinese history. but when kyrie endorses an anti semitic movie, lebron doesnt say shit? doesnt steve kerr want to make a statement? no? hmmm...

Harris was a common name for openings and he did not have to take this job; if the Tigers did not hire him, he would have gotten other opportunities, this winter or next; one of the questions he had to have for Ilitch should have been, what level of payroll can you consistently support in this market? that question needed to be asked in some form; hopefully it was and was answered to Harris' satisfaction. a $180M payroll in 2024 will be 76% of the first luxury tax tier (or $56M below limit in total dollars)

Speaking of semantics—just because they call it a "rebuild" does not mean it's an actual rebuild. The Avila regime paid no attention to the lower rounds of the draft; were underrepresented in the Latin American AFA market; were completely absent from the Asian market, did not make trades to build the team for the future, did not scour the waiver wire looking for opportunities; and did not sign undervalued free agents for the future. All they did was tank—giving up all-stars and future Hall-of-Famers for organizational flotsam so they could maximize their losses to collect top first-round picks, while occasionally dabbling in the Rule 5 draft. They endeavored to do the very least they could possibly get away with to be considered rebuilding, and they didn't accomplish even that. Come on, give up and finally admit it: the Tigers weren't rebuilding to build a solid foundation for the future—they were treading water and cashing revenue-sharing checks. What you call rebuilding is actually what Scott Harris and his team are embarking upon right now. Anything positive they get coming from the prior regime is not the residue of good planning—it's the result of no-plan-having luck.

The thing about this trade is that it signifies different things at different levels. In the abstract, simply based on price and performance, it's a typical economics driven move any team, good or bad, might have made purely on their evaluation that the performance of the player wouldn't justify his cost. From that angle, it's fine. But with the infinitely rebuilding Lions, moving a top draft pick who should be in the prime years of his career is just another marker that any chance of a good team just took one more ratchet further into the future, so it's depressing from that angle.

It is going to be funny when all these waiver claims go through waivers again in the next month.

Kyrie is providing good cover for the Udoka hiring. Almost nobody is talking about the Nets hiring a coach that did something so bad his previous organization thought he should be suspended for a year. And they hired him after serving about a month of the year long suspension. Maybe that was an option for his punishment. A year suspension or coach the Nets.

Sounds good to me, Laura

Nets are a beautiful train wreck. Couldn't happen to a nicer group of guys.

Joe Biden is orchestrating a global cabal while suffering from alzheimer's all at the same time.

I probably should stop squawking about wanting Miggy gone, but it is based upon an organizational necessity of clearly communicating that there are no exceptions in the pursuit in excellence. The front office has been a country club for some time and Harris has addressed part of that issue. For organizational health reasons I want Miggy gone. It is nothing personal. I wish Miggy well.

and Jim Campbell had his own issues with the FO prior to Monoghan. They were the 2nd to last team to get a black player. Cheap. Bill Lajoie saved Campbell's reputation.

I'm not Sparty so stick it! 😄

Feels like someone told him "we have the votes"

I think hiring Harris, and before that Hinch, tells me Ilitch won’t be a cheapskate. Will be be like his dad and go ape shit? No. And I wouldn’t ask that as a fan. I’m now convinced he doesn’t want to just ride this org as a cash cow with as little risk and effort as possible. I think they will be payroll competitive. That doesn’t mean they have to be in the conversation for every big name free agent.

I think they prefer to play teams they can beat. Reality is they could still have an outside shot of getting into a playoff with one loss to a #1 OSU, which couldn't happen if it were the 2nd loss. Everyone hated the computerized SOS ranking system, but using a hard-core system like that's the only way a 2 loss team ever gets in, which means it's not worth the risk to schedule anyone you could lose to. All the tut-tutting at this point in the season about SOS is just that, on the last weekend wins and losses will carry the day.

He did have CAPS LOCKED, so tread lightly.

The amount the Tigers offered was well below Correa's publicly-stated floor. He was never going to accept it, and I believe the Tigers knew he wouldn't accept it.

wtf else are we going to do

I with you on this. I wouldn't say it's impossible that he would ever spend big like leading teams do, but I also don't understand the position stipulating that since there's no evidence that he won't or wouldn't spend, that must mean he will spend, or probably will spend. Until he shows and proves, I'm not assuming that at all.

Our draft compensation is contingent on Kirk Cousins winning a playoff game.

There really is no evidence that Ilitch Jr would/will not spend. You might not like the return, but the Tigers made significant investments last offseason in Baez, ERod, Chafin and acquiring Barnhart. I see no reason to think he will prevent Harris from doing what he needs to this offseason. I don’t think he’ll have an open checkbook like his Dad did, but few teams do.

Don’t you think it will be the one that can’t play defense?

hashtag both sides again