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I'm hanging up the phone if they don't include Holliday or Basallo. If Im trading the top pitcher in baseball who is under control for 2yrs and 3 postseasons I'm not settling for the other teams prospects that they feel are expendable or what works for them. No you're giving up what works for us and paying the premium of one of your top 2 guys, if you won't then somebody else will....or we'll just keep him and get another Cy Young season out of him.

Kjersted is great and all, but are we in the market for an LH outfielder? Not sure why that would be the headliner in a Skubal deal where we can aggressively go after exactly what we need or stand pat with the best pitcher in baseball until next deadline. That would all but leave one of Meadows/Carpenter/Perez expendable especially by the time Clark is knocking on the door. The trade would get us a great young player in Kjersted, but we’d end up shipping at least one of our current young core out later anyway…so it minimizes the overall return. We need Carps power upside, and Perez is a definite plus being a switch hitter and playing all 3 OF positions and being competent all around on offense. I guess you’d move on from Meadows but dealing him likely doesn’t get us much of a return unless he comes back blazing hot. Give me either Holliday/Mayo/Povich, Basalo/Mayo/Povich or go screw. Either of those acquisitions immediately fills in the roster now and for the future without us needing to make corresponding decisions on young players. Acquiring Skubal for your World Series runs the next 3 seasons should absolutely hurt the other teams minor league system, not be convenient for them.

its a small sample size, but over his last 4 at bats, Javy is batting .250!

OK, so, two things: (1) those numbers are general estimates and not results, which obviously you know; and (2) Holliday and Basallo have still done nothing in the majors and are certainly not guaranteed to, whereas Skubal is Cy Young right now and is ready to lead a playoff rotation right now, even over Corbin Burnes, and not by a little. So yes, the numbers from this trade value thingamabob favor the Tigers' return over that of the Orioles, but the key difference is that the numbers assigned to Skubal are based on current reality, whereas the numbers assigned to the Orioles players are all based on speculation—with good reason, I acknowledge, but still, speculation. And remember, even losing all these players, especially the top two, the Orioles still have their positions covered for years and years, whereas our rotation would be shattered until at least next year, and perhaps beyond. Trading Skubal will definitely hurt the Tigers much more in the short term (perhaps the next 12 months) than the Orioles, and if the Orioles would never trade them under any circumstances, then they are to all appearances just trying to run up the score, same way (sorry for this but) Trump thought he would run up the score by choosing Vance as his VP (again, sorry for that, but I mention it only because of how apt the comparison is.) IOW: if the Orioles would not trade these players, who may not even pan out, for the best pitcher in the game right now, at a time they need him most, in favor of keeping their players around for, I don't know, just in case, I guess? And they won't even have room for these players for years anyway—then just what exactly are they trying to accomplish here? This is a good trade for both teams, and I don't think the Tigers should take any less than this. I personally would bless it, and honestly, I don't think the Orioles would have to think very long about it before they accept it as well.

PS: (or FYI, whichever floats...): I'm heading out this afternoon for a family reunion near Munising (cabins right on the beach of Lake Superior) and that means 20+ cousins (and assorted aunts/ uncles and a plethora of munchkins running around as well) which will keep me busy and hard to keep up with both what's going on at/ near the deadline and all this discussion. Won't be back until Sunday August 4th so I'll miss MOST of the commotion! Oh, and tomorrow before I take off for Munising (I'll be halfway there in Ohio, from Jersey...) I'm going to the National Baseball Card (actually, "Sports") Convention in Cleveland. Gonna be a WILD ONE!!! And I know you will miss me SOOO MUCH!!! 😁 So have a great time... I know I will!

Yeah, a team with Skubal and Flaherty the way they are pitching this year can make some serious hay in the postseason. Of all the years for the AL Central to not stink.

10-4 in BP games. Trade all the starting pitchers! 😆

I like when members of team message boards negotiate deals directly. Who needs front offices, when the fans can handle this?

Glad someone in the mainstream press has decided to start asking questions on this

Colt Keith is signed through 2032. I think they will find a spot for him.

while I understand what you’re saying, we did the same thing when Hillary Clinton ran for president. She got called Hillary. When Donald Trump wants to insult Nancy Pelosi, he doesn’t call her Pelosi, he calls her Nancy. i’m just saying that as a woman, I am noticing it much more than I did even 5-10 years ago. While it’s never maybe by most people meant intentionally as a disrespectful thing to call the senato, or the Congresswoman, the presidential candidate by their first name, nonetheless, it does, make an unconscious impact. I hope no one here is taking my meaning wrong, I am no way looking to say that anyone here is disrespectful in calling her Kamala. I’ve only just more recently been making myself more conscious about not referring to her by her first name.

Bligh Madris going 3/4 with a double like we all knew he would.

Some elements of the left do. I sure don't. I want them to be free to protest, but I don't condone violence and vandalism. As for J6, the events leading up to it and the day itself look like an attempted coup to me and the right is completely sweeping it under the rug like it was a completely normal event. That is stunning to me, something I thought would never happen in this country.

I know this frustrates fans to no end, but I like it. It’s a good sign that we are still competitive even when we lose, not a bad sign that we are incapable of winning close games or anything like that,

Irresponsible to not PH for Baez. Any other ML manager would not have let him go to the plate in that situation.

Or maybe don't walk the No. 9 hitter on four straight pitches.

my own guess is that in general, the reason you aren't seeing the bigger reaction you would like is that TPTB think the best thing to do is not give these people any media oxygen, since that is what they most thrive on.

I think in a case were the VP and Pres know that the world leader in question is very likely to espouse positions which they do not want to be forced to make highly public reactions to (like would happen sitting in that chair) then discretion is probably the better part of Valor. The admin is trying to thread a needle between the long term relation and bond to Israel and the obvious fact that they believe Netanyahu to be a counter productive actor, and since Netanyahu also knows that quite clearly, the admin is not going to give Bibi any opportunities to try and put them in a box or help get Trump elected, liking making statement in a speech that the presumptive party nominee has to make filmed reactions to. So when Bibi addresses the US Congress there is nothing 'normal' about the situation. He has made himself a politcal player in the US so no surprise gets treated as partisan.

I think there can be enough nuance to this conversation to think that Hamas is an awful terrorist organization, while still being sympathetic to the plight of Palestinian citizens. I’m certain that’s how Chas feels as well.

And why did the Republican VP candidate skip? Was he due for his annual beard trim?

Listen, the honest truth is that I’m working on changing MY tendency to call her, and other women politicians by their first names, too!! 😁 (It’s like, finally, a freaking light bulb went off in my head)

Maybe because these people in no way represent Democrats, which is 180 degrees different from the J6 insurrectionists absolutely representing Republicans.

Not even all that huge, since we apparently just had to give them $40 million as well to entice them to take Verlander off our hands.

I’m not who you asked but for me it would be something close to this that would make me consider it. Holliday, Povich, Young, Fabian

One three putt this morning. So inconsistent.

I'm curious, in all seriousness (as if we should take this as a serious thing 😛 ) what you would legitimately want from the O's for Skubal. The hour is getting late, and we are a team in need. Skubal's not the only starter in town, but may be the best available, despite his injury risks and prior innings pitched totals. Thanks in advance.

Gen X is finally get to have a moment i hope.

Even were we to sneak into the playoffs, which is far less than 50-50 even now, we're not winning the postseason crapshoot against the Orioles-Yankees-Indians-Dodgers-Phillies-Brewers with a gimpy rotation, a bullpen without a shutdown back end, and a flaky decimated offense made up of inexperienced young guys and stopgap veterans and Javier Baez. Failing to strike while the iron is hot in exchange for a puncher's chance of sneaking into the third playoff shot would be executive malpractice.

your are a way out over your ski's with this statement. They are a segment - they are not 'the left' anymore than every conservative is Seb Gorka. Your current LW admin has been pretty supportive to Israel over all, if you hadn't noticed, and any number of your academic bastions of entrenched LW orthodoxy are busy tightening up speech and behavior codes in response to the excesses of these folks. I would also guess a good part of the reason there wasn't a bigger LE action in DC was to prevent the embarrassment of the international press reporting that Bibe had precipitated a major police battle/riot - so who did that benefit?

I agree 100% If Harris & Co. trade Skubal to the O’s or Dodgers and doesn’t strip their farm system of three of their top 5 guys minimally, I’d want them fired. This is not a scenario where you move Skubal for a package that is comfortable for the other team. It needs to hurt.

Queue Edwin Edwards quote about a dead girl or a live sofa.

this is kind of messed up.

Agreed. Believe it or not, you don't have to be experiencing dementia in order to slow down in speech or to be frail in older age.

They want to require one true religion for all Americans. I don't know how broad that is - whether it's some Protestant religion or whether any kind of Christianity is OK. Not sure they like the Catholics very much. The other point was eliminating time and a half for overtime pay. The rest of it was tldr

he seemed mentally fine and physically frail - no change on that score.

Man, Royals made it interesting bringing the trying run to the plate, but they still lost 8-6, so, yeah, not a total loss.

The plan would be to: A) Trade for a cheap backender at the deadline. There are SP's available at the deadline who are a crapload cheaper then what we'd get for trading Flaherty. B) Stretching out Faedo or Brieske is not a criminal act. It's a valid option. C) Jobe is looking ready for MLB. It's up to Development and whoever else is required for that decision but if they say yes, he's an option. D) As crappy as Hurter and some of the other Toledo contingent are doing, they are still options. E) This season doesn't matter. It's STILL an evaluation season, and the more critical goal, IMO, is setting up for next year. That means additional rookies called up to evaluate (Jung, Dingler, possibly Jobe and/ or maybe even Lee). That also means trading pending Free Agents. Including Flaherty. And there are ways to cover for traded SP's... even as dire a situation as we currently have.

Holy CRAP is Dingler just Freaking Going OFF!!! Another HR tonight. single-double-HR = 3 for 4... .306 BA, .924 OPS...

I blame the poor Ohio air quality for this loss.

Can Tork learn SS?

Baez's OPS+ is typical of what your average pitcher used to put up pre DH era. Some were worse, some were better. But playing Baez is like giving up your DH.

I thought Keith had that. Breskie blows.

Not that I like seeing anyone hurt, but if Bibee goes on the DL that really helps our quest to make up ground on them in the division.

Injury rehab - he hurt his wrist or hand in June

I purchased my new jerseys today... Hutch in black, Goff in blue, and the beast himself Giovanni Manu in white.

One thing I do know is that I'm glad I shelled out a few extra bucks when booking hotels so that they'd be refundable.

I'm disappointed he wasn't eating something whilst giving the speech.

I'm about to take up the game after 30 plus years. I only dabbed with it then. Picked up a set of "Senior" clubs. Just waiting until the "Feels like" temps drop below 105 before hitting the driving range.