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MCDC is the winningest coach in the NFL over the past four years and we are complaining about his challenge flags because he lost a challenge but won five minutes of rest for his defense at the cost of a 30-second time out. We’re losing the plot here.

He can come to one of my fitness classes. We're allowed to bring one guest for a period of time. He will find young arab women in sports halter tops with not much coverage than a sports bra. He'll see others in full body clothing that covers their entire arms, legs, and head. We all work out together in the same room, men and women, in varying amounts of clothing. Nobody gets beaten. For sure there are patriarchal elements at play but that goes on in every culture. The whole "Trad Wives" thing among the evangelical right is just another form of what they probably bitch about in their perceptions of the Muslim world.

I love the nickname going around for the Lions Secondary......... The Legion of Whom?

Skubal is awesome and I won’t mind if he finished a HOF career as a tiger at market value. But he’s one player. One of 5 starters. A good system can’t guarantee a player of his caliber all the time, nobody can, but it can get you 3 guys who are 85-90% of him. You still need to win the other 80% of the games he doesn’t play.

While my wife and I was driving Route 66, we stopped in Oklahoma City, and while driving around, I saw the same things I've seen in a lot of smaller cities, especially out west: unhoused people sprawled on many of the streets, setting up camp right on sidewalks in the open; tons of garbage strewn about all over the streets and sidewalks; and, of course, nobody walking around the streets after dark anywhere, not even downtown. Nothing like Chicago at all. While we were there, we went to the Jim Thorpe museum, which is connected to the AAA baseball stadium. The guy on staff was a white man, maybe 70-ish. We came in making nice small talk telling him how we found ourselves in OKC, and he asked, "where you folks from"? My wife answered, "Chicago". And he replied, "Oh, sorry, ha ha ha." I knew where he was coming from. I didn't answer him in the moment, but after checking out the museum and the ballpark for maybe 15 minutes, as we were leaving, he was near the door on the way out, and I said to him, "Oh, by the way? Chicago? Is a way, way better city than Oklahoma City." And he replied, "Well, I can't imagine." And I said, "Well, you should come visit. You'll see what I mean. You'd love it." And he had nothing more to say than, "Well, heh heh heh." And it was in that moment the thought occurred to me: probably a big reason so many red hats are so freaked out about Chicago is that they believe it's just a bigger and far worse version of their own cities, or at least the close cities they get their TV from. So many of those cities have been allowed to simply go to seed. (Perhaps in part because their Republican state legislatures starve them of state money they could use to help clean things up? That's what Illinois' R governors and legislators have been trying to do to Chicago ever since I've been here.) So this guy from the museum sees what's happening in his town, Oklahoma City, watches Fox and Newsmax and OAN talk about Chicago—and, most importantly, hears "his" president talk about Chicago—and can't conceive of the idea that it could not possibly be anything but a filthier and infinitely more dangerous version of Oklahoma City. He assumes Chicago is basically the equivalent of Gaza right now. Of course, if you look at the violent crime stats for 2024—courtesy of the Trump FBI—for every decent-sized town along Route 66, you can see that Chicago ranks pretty low in overall violent crime: TBF, it's not the lowest crime rate along the route. Kingman, Normal, Joliet, Rolla, Flagstaff, all lower. But to hear the red hats talk about it, it would be impossible that Chicago would not be the highest violent crime rate in the country. By the way, you can download your own copy of the FBI 2024 crime data right here.

I think we owe it to ourselves to give Harris a chance to constitute the team next year around Skubal that can and will compete for the ring, keeping up our forward momentum, instead of giving up on the idea that he could ever succeed at it and advocating shipping off what is far and away our most valuable piece, and essentially quitting on the idea of winning 2026. At least that's the way it looks to me—unless Harris can pull off the magic trick of trading Skubal while more than making up for the wins he would have provided us next year, through the trade return, other trades, free agent signings, and propitious promotions of our top talent. If Harris could do that—boy, he'd be a lock for Executive of the Year, would he not?

It's not just the complaints... It's the stupidity of the complaints.

Of all the readilly available info, those are all good sources. My only advice would be don't bet money that you need on minor leaguers!

I mean the main reason this happened has got to be the lefts rhetoric right? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pardoned-capitol-rioter-charged-threatening-hakeem-jeffries-nyc-trump/ Pardoned Capitol rioter charged with threatening to kill Hakeem Jeffries at NYC event this week

I don't blame anyone here for not being interested but this has really been a hell of a Game 7 in Toronto.

I agree that there are almost no scenarios in which a trade of Skubal does not make us worse next year, which is why I’m so against it. I absolutely don’t agree not trading Skubal sends us into loser limbo for the next ten years. This relates to a post I made maybe a week ago, that the Avila reign of error has really scarred the Tigers fan base. The idea that if we keep Skubal, then let him walk for nothing in free agency, that will make us terrible for ten years? That’s thinking borne of those Avlla years, because that’s exactly what would have happened under him. It’s that fatalistic thinking that we’ve gotten so used to, and perhaps a bit defensively to prevent us from giving our heart to anyone new only to see him stomp all over it with the boot of incompetence. I also don’t agree that if we do trade Skubal, we guarantee ourselves ten good years after that, because think about it: if we are willing to trade Skubal now before his walk year, why wouldn’t we be willing to trade Kevin McGonigle, or Max Clark or Troy Melton or Josue Briceno etc., before their walk years? What makes trading Skubal so unique now that we would never do so with those other players? That makes no sense to me. In the end, I promise you that if we were to trade Tarik Skubal this winter and the Tigers have a substantially worse season next year, Scott Harris would get absolutely crushed, and rightly so, for kneecapping the franchise's momentum toward perennial contention. We are no longer the 2019 Tigers. We are not in perpetual rebuilding mode. We have no interest in looking forward to any more draft lotteries. We are contenders now, and we have to act like it, and that means not trading away your Cy Young ace for a bag of magic beans. But that also means Scott Harris needs to make the moves that get us to the next step up the contention ladder next year. Pressure’s on him now, as it should be, but at least let’s give the guy a chance to deliver on that. And if he doesn’t—if he pussyfoots around, runs the same kind of team out there in 2026, and we stumble backwards because of him—then I will gladly join in the chorus of boos that rain down on him a year from today.

Don't even acknowledge him. He needs therapy. None of us here are qualified to provide it.

This is where we extremely disagree. I don’t think keeping Skubal and losing him sets us up for 10 years of baseball purgatory. Our system is much better than the Angels you keep referencing. They also had/have their end of career Miggy.

I've heard many Catholic homilies on Matthew 6:1 "Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven" and Matthew 6:3 "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing". Not just for public prayer but also for charitable works. You can mention it if meant to spur others to follow that example, but not as boosting yourself up like carrying a business card that says Philanthropist, lol.

Truman "gutted the entire white house" because it was literally falling apart and would have collapsed had they not done that. He spent most of his "second" term of his presidency living elsewhere Nixon put his bowling alley in place of where LBJ/JFK's pool was.

But wait—there's more: If we trade Skubal to a team whose goal in picking him up is winning a ring in 2026, then wouldn't that get directly in our way, blocking our own goal of a ring in 2026? Especially if we were to trade him to an AL team like Seattle. Would Harris really load up a direct competitor with Tarik Skubal in order to wipe us out of the playoffs? So, if Harris does trade Skubal, then by default logic, he is giving up on winning a ring in 2026 for the promise of a vague and indeterminate future ring in who knows what season. And that would be kneecapping our momentum toward steadily improving this team in the hopes of winning a ring in, yes, 2026. And if Harris did that, he owuld be endlessly hammered for screwing up that momentum and our chances, regardless of how promising those future prospects are. This is why I have to conclude that there is no way on god's green earth Scott Harris trades Tarik Skubal unless the trade makes our team better in 2026, specifically—and I have trouble envisioning any way any other team would make a trade like that.

Pursuant to this point: I would find it really surprising if a team were willing to give up the impact MLB-level batter or pitcher we here covet in return for Skubal. After all, that team would be getting Skubal for a single year, 2026, so their goal, obviously, would be to win a ring in 2026. So it makes no sense—to me anyway—that they would hamper their chances of that by switching out multiple wins at one position in exchange for the wins Skubal brings them on the mound. That seems to me to be close to treading water on their part. Or am I missing something here? The only way I see it is they trade us a 2+ win guy who's blocking a top-100 prospect at the AAA level.

One might note the slight difference between the example of some terrible 'lefty' person being a nobody randomly found on the internet, and a terrible 'righty' person being some one this government is trying to put into a position of official authority.

Ernie knew there would be flak and set it up anyway. It was great.

reminds me of the old saw about "economists have correctly predicted 7 of the last 2 recessions." Few guys do well in the majors without having shown a lot of promise - though even that does happen occasionally, but a lot of guys show a lot of promise and still don't turn into much. It might be wise to make some distinction between hitters and pitchers though. With modern instrumentation you can measure exactly what a pitcher throws, and know fairly for certain if his stuff can get out MLB hitters. It's command that is still harder to predict as they face better hitters, but you do have a pretty good handle on stuff today that was not available in the past. But with hitters it remains harder to know how they will fare as the quality of pitching goes up because so much of hitting is mental/perceptual, and you don't know where a guy's hand/head limits are until he is tested at those limits by MLB pitching. Now that said, with pitchers the injury risk today is so high that even if you are pretty confident a guy has the stuff to succeed in the majors, whether his arm will hold together long enough to have a good career is probably just a big an unknown as the overall unknowns with hitters, maybe bigger. ⚕️

I like that idea. They should also randomly pick a fan each game to pitch one inning.

FYI, I think most of the posters on here, especially ones like Lee look at those same sites you do, and we all see the same things, no matter what the metrics say, you have numerous cases like Vaughn and Tork. It does mean they will likely be solid major leaguers, but even the top metric guys usually have multiple seasons before they become consistent "studs". Thinking all 3, even 2 of the 3 are going to be that within 2 seasons, let alone 1, is very wishful thinking. FYI, the metrics love our current prospects including Lee and Rainer also.

Considering how much time I spend looking at advanced stats and tracking, I think there's a realistic chance. Besides, I'm not just saying Painter. I'll bet you $1,000 right now, that in two years, Aiden Miller, Crawford and Painter will have > 4 WAR per season than Skubal. Whole forum can be my witness.

I was way wrong about the defense. I need to put more faith in the Dan Campbell culture to get the most out of anybody, they did the same last year against Minnesota with an even more depleted group. The offense still has a lot of work to do which is crazy to say but Jamo and Monty outside of the Baltimore game haven't been utliized nearly enough, I also feel like Teslaa should be getting more looks. Kind of scary for the rest of the league that the offense hasn't clicked yet, the defense is depleted, and the Lions are still 5-2. The schedule is extremely tough but if anybody can navigate it, it's Dan Campbell's Lions.

Professional sports are cruel. Only one team can win it all each year. Baseball seems like such a long haul too. 162 games, and then multiple series to get to the finish line. I feel for Mariners fans, never having made it to the final series. Go home and start all over again next year. The boulder of Sisyphus. Every Lions fan knows that pain.

There are going to be a lot of boys named George graduating from Ontario high schools in 2044.

Go Blue Jays! Duck the Fodgers!

This is the best post I've read in weeks on here. And I agree 100%. Which is why I'm a proponent of trading Skubal to Add to McGonigle, Clark, Briceno, Tork, and Carpenter. I'm also not sold on Dingler. I want to be. But this might have been a career year for him. You add Aidin Miller and Justin Crawford to our team though, and bring back Painter (who realistically can be 80% of what Skubal is next year) and add that to the core thats here/coming up, you have a perenial divison winner. Good post sir. I concur 100%.

Riley has proved he can be. Tork is showing potential of possibly being. We don’t know what Dingler is quite yet. No one else is in that realm. So you’re right—we’re short on talent. But please remember: we are not at peak Harris Tigers. What we’re seeing right now is a bonus team. These guys weren’t supposed to get to two straight divisions series so soon. We weren’t supposed to start seriously contending until next year, and maybe even 2027, because that’s how long it takes to overhaul a major league system from scratch, which is what Harris has been charged with doing. But here we are now, way ahead of schedule. Through canny pickups by Harris and great managing by Hinch, we have gone to two straight division series. Just roll that around in your mind for a second. Now consider that we have a whole gaggle of pedigreed position players poised to descend on Detroit from our system: Kevin McGonigle. Max Clark. Josue Briceno. Thayron Liranzo. Hao-Yu Lee. Bryce Rainer. Max Anderson. They may not all make it here, and they may not all do really well once they get here, but it’s a halfway decent bet a couple of them will be All-Star level, and a couple more will be good enough to contribute to a first division team. But we’re also not limited to who comes out of the system. There are a couple other ways we could add an impact player to the team, and I think it’s fair to give Harris the chance to do so once the time is right, which is looking like perhaps this winter. We’ll see what he does, and I think we all would like to see him do something. It may not be the most obvious sexy thing, but then, we didn’t know Gleyber Torres was the sexy thing the moment we got him, either. And on top of all this, remember this as well: this team of non first-division regulars you regard us as being? This team has gone to two straight division series. Now just imagine the potential of a Tigers team that has actual first-division talent.

Brilliant. Just gave his D a breather. Campbell is playing 4D Chess

“A torn ligament in his left thumb.” *camera pans to his right hand

You want to know why this board has more “left” peoole? Because it’s impossible to intelligently defend the right anymore. That’s all been used up. The only “right” posts are nothing but troll jobs that lack logic and any standard of normal thought. Oh yeah stray person might chime in and say otherwise but they never post because deep down they know they can’t defend it.

I dislike the facade that fox sports is putting on. Everyone with a brain can tell Arod, Jeter and Papi aren’t buddies and probably can’t stand each other. It’s so contrived and fake how they try to pretend those guys are old friends. The handoffs where they refer to each other by name are completely awkward.

vs. Setting: 10/26/2025, All Day Long Site: Living Rooms Across America Weather: Between 20-120 degrees, probably Opening Spread: Lions -6.5 All-Time Series Record: Bye leads, 39-20 Last Meeting: 10/06/2024, Lions won 92-6 Bye Week (6-7) Head Coach: Robert Prince (0-1) Projected Starting QB: Jim Ninowski (4-3-1) Last Week: 6-2 W @ Duluth Eskimos (Exhibition) Looking Ahead to Week #6: Sunday v. Browns, Jets, Eagles, and Buccaneers Your Detroit Lions (5-2) Head Coach: Dan Campbell (5th Season: 44-30-1) Projected Starting QB: Jared Goff (10th Season: 86-54-1) Last Game: 24-9 W v. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (5-2) Looking Ahead to Week #9: Sunday v. Minnesota Vikings (3-3) Elsewhere in the NFL Primetime: Vikings @ Chargers (TNF), Packers @ Steelers (SNF), Commanders @ Chiefs (MNF) 1:00pm: Dolphins @ Falcons, Bears @ Ravens, Bills @ Panthers, Jets @ Bengals, 49ers @ Texans, Browns @ Patriots, Giants @ Eagles 4:05/4:25pm: Buccaneers @ Saints, Cowboys @ Broncos, Titans @ Colts BYE: Cardinals, Jaguars, Raiders, Rams, and Seahawks

I'm sure the league will invest another new rule that we've never heard of, cost the Lions the game, and give the bye the win. Seriously though, I feel really good about where this team is at the bye week. They are 5-2 and have shown they can beat good teams and win the games they are supposed to. Some of the things we were worried about as fans, like their offensive line cohesion after losing Ragnow, ability to run block as effectively, their pass rush, and how losing both coordinators would effect this team haven't appeared to have had a significant negative impact on this team. They are hitting their stride on offense under Morton and he's got Gibbs in particular really looking strong. On defense, Sheppard has the pass rush looking strong after a lackluster opener against Green Bay. Had we played a bit better in KC, not made so many coverage mistakes on defense, and not gotten jobbed out of a TD by the league, we could be 6-1. We're 5-2 though and I'm fine with that because I like how this team has been playing.

These tweets are worse than your chili.

The bigger issue in Portland is not how many police there are but that they are operating under the policies of the their far left city council. In other words they are standing around and doing nothing but protecting the left wing radicals that are blocking streets, harassing and at times inciting violence on anyone that doesn't agree with them and harboring illegal aliens. There was video showing some left wing loon attacking a guy in a Charlie Kirk shirt. The guy in the Kirk shirt defended himself and was arrested while nothing was done to the left wing loser.

Lions are averaging 5 fewer plays per game on offense. Interestingly, opponents are averaging the same number of plays per game as last year.

Yes. I always knew about it but at some point during the internet era I heard his rendition and thought it was beautiful. But... different times I guess. Since Ernie was respnsibile for having him do it he got in trouble.

When it’s not my team, I’m interested in stories. I like the story of Seattle never making it to a World Series in their entire 48 year history. I took the same pleasure with the long losing streaks of the Cubs, Sox and Sawks. Then they all blew it by winning. So I have Seattle, which doesn’t matter except October of 25 so it’s not a sustained enjoyment, and I have Cleveland 1948. I thoroughly enjoy that.

To hold a 5-1 team to single digits with no starters in your secondary..............the Jets might want to trade Aaron Glenn and a first and second round draft pick for Kelvin Sheppard. I'm not taking that deal Impressive as hell tonight.

Wait till AI fixes this ****.

As I was saying, POUND THE ROCK!!

It wasn’t. It looked like it, but for sure wasn’t.

It's for the better to not extend either. Ivey might never be the same after multiple leg injuries plus the question marks in his game already and Duren's major flaws are very apparent. He improved a bit last season but a guy who does nothing but dunk better be top notch defensively to compensate and he's not even average. There is something to be said for the chemistry he and Cade have developed in the pick and roll with being a lob threat and he does seem to fit the culture they're building but you don't give out big money to guys who just dunk and are culture fits so it appears that Langdon played this smartly.

Let’s go

I don’t think there’s any perfect solution that equally satisfies teams, players, and fans. The reserve clause helped teams and fans but not players. Free agency helps players and some teams and their fans, but not other teams and their fans. I guess that’s the mark of a really good compromise: when it happens, no one is completely happy with it.