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7 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

A bit related the CNN archives has a good documentary on the Columbia, the post flight investigation and influence on the US Space program. Very interesting report

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/13/world/columbia-space-shuttle-disaster-nasa-scn/index.html

It was.  I read a book about it's recovery called Bringing Columbia Home.   

Columbia was a bit different than Challenger in one way.  Tile damage was a known defect on these missions.   The controversey was the management's disregard of the problem once it was noticed on that mission.  But it's also not clear what could have been done to save them at that point.  A rescue mission is pretty much science fiction with a million things having to go right just to have a chance.  Prepping a shuttle launch takes time, plus you have crew training to go through.  It's not just a car you hop in and drive away.  There were limited resources aboard columbia.   Later on after resuming missions they did have a standby mission ready in case they had to do it but it was complex.  The Shuttle also couldn't dock with the ISS while they figured it out.  Not enough fuel to do that.  The only realistic option would have been trying to alter their reentry to avoid as much as possible the contact on the affected area.  And tragically.... they could have allowed the families to sort of 'say goodbye' as they tried it.

But as the doc explains.... leadership didn't think there was a problem to solve.

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4 minutes ago, oblong said:

It was.  I read a book about it's recovery called Bringing Columbia Home.   

Columbia was a bit different than Challenger in one way.  Tile damage was a known defect on these missions.   The controversey was the management's disregard of the problem once it was noticed on that mission.  But it's also not clear what could have been done to save them at that point.  A rescue mission is pretty much science fiction with a million things having to go right just to have a chance.  Prepping a shuttle launch takes time, plus you have crew training to go through.  It's not just a car you hop in and drive away.  There were limited resources aboard columbia.   Later on after resuming missions they did have a standby mission ready in case they had to do it but it was complex.  The Shuttle also couldn't dock with the ISS while they figured it out.  Not enough fuel to do that.  The only realistic option would have been trying to alter their reentry to avoid as much as possible the contact on the affected area.  And tragically.... they could have allowed the families to sort of 'say goodbye' as they tried it.

But as the doc explains.... leadership didn't think there was a problem to solve.

The whole discussion that the foam tiles couldn't have possibly caused that serious damage was particularly infuriating and interesting until testing proved it was indeed possible.

Along with the fact that something similar had happened on an earlier flight...

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8 hours ago, Deleterious said:

******Spoiler for episode 1-5 of The Bear's new season *************

 

 

This season kinda stinks so far.  We would normally have this watched in a day or two.  We are only on episode 6, but it sucks so far.


I actually started episode one last night, and fell asleep about 15 minutes into it, which never ever ever ever happens to me. I don’t fall asleep watching TV or movies.
 

Maybe I was just really tired? But I’m having a feeling this show might not be up to snuff. 

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I crapped out of the Bear a few minutes into the second episode of the first season. I just couldn't connect to the characters, and I'm not a fan of shows about damaged people that induces anxiety in me as I watch it.

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