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It's amazing what kind of outcome you can get with a biased and non-critical jury pool. A man who murdered his wife and another human being in cold blood got off because of a shriveled up glove with dried blood on it, a racist cop, and celebrity status. Never mind that all the actual evidence pointed to him being guilty. RIP Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman.

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55 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

It's amazing what kind of outcome you can get with a biased and non-critical jury pool. A man who murdered his wife and another human being in cold blood got off because of a shriveled up glove with dried blood on it, a racist cop, and celebrity status. Never mind that all the actual evidence pointed to him being guilty. RIP Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman.

But the prosecutor's were also incredibly incompetent. Maybe in LA the idea of water falling from the sky is too foreign to keep in mind, but anyone who lives in non-desert parts of the world knows that leather gloves left in the rain shrink. If they had had any brains they could have blown up the whole Cochran glove shtick. Likewise not doing your homework on your own witnesses. Not to mention Ito letting the trial wander all over the place. I'd say the system failed as much as the poor jury. But the other lesson to take form the OJ trial is that sadly that kind of incompetence isn't that rare, and that kind of system failure leads to just as many guilty verdicts that are just as wrong.

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3 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

It's amazing what kind of outcome you can get with a biased and non-critical jury pool. A man who murdered his wife and another human being in cold blood got off because of a shriveled up glove with dried blood on it, a racist cop, and celebrity status. Never mind that all the actual evidence pointed to him being guilty. RIP Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman.

he got off because he was black and the black jurors were not going to convict him.  thats it.  all the other stuff doesnt really matter.  i dont even think their use of furman's past statements on race - which never should have come in - mattered.  that jury hated LA cops and the plaintiffs (and the judge) did a great job of mucking it up and making the trial about the LAPD and not about the obvious murderer who was standing right in front of them.

if you want to get into the weeds, it was the judge who caved to the pressure.  ito let the defense do whatever it liked, it was ridiculous.  he was obviously intimidated by the big name attorneys on the other side and his decisions were all slanted to them.  

the weight of the knowledge that a decision against oj might have started another riot may also have weighed on him, but i think the bigger issue was his being intimidated by the moment and the johnnie cochran's and f lee bailey's of the world.

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2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

But the prosecutor's were also incredibly incompetent. Maybe in LA the idea of water falling from the sky is too foreign to keep in mind, but anyone who lives in non-desert parts of the world knows that leather gloves left in the rain shrink. If they had had any brains they could have blown up the whole Cochran glove shtick. Likewise not doing your homework on your own witnesses. Not to mention Ito letting the trial wander all over the place. I'd say the system failed as much as the poor jury. But the other lesson to take form the OJ trial is that sadly that kind of incompetence isn't that rare, and that kind of system failure leads to just as many guilty verdicts that are just as wrong.

that jury was always going to convict.  they lost that case in voir dire.  they needed multiple strong non-black voices in that jury room.

if you want to point to the biggest mistake the prosecution made, it was filing the case in downtown LA county instead of santa monica.  if you file that case in santa monica you get a majority white jury, but by filing it in downtown LA you get a majority black jury.  that jury had 8 black people and 1 white female.  and the white female was a weak personality who was just going to go along with what everyone else did.

the gloves didnt matter.  

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1 hour ago, buddha said:

if you file that case in santa monica you get a majority white jury, but by filing it in downtown LA you get a majority black jury. 

OTOH - You can guess the only thing they wanted less than losing the case was to win the case with a white majority jury. If you come at it from that direction, you can say they were in a lose/lose situation, but that still doesn't excuse the California Court allowing the trial to turn into farce, regardless of what other factors came into play. 

Also, I think almost oddly enough an inversion on what is current today with BLM. If OJ had murdered his black wife, maybe they are more likely to convict him.  🤔 

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The Chicago-For-The-People's mayor Brandon Johnson about to whore himself out for the Bears' new stadium.

Mayor Brandon Johnson, who took office less than a year ago after vowing to end decades of disinvestment on Chicago’s West and South sides, enthusiastically endorsed the project, calling the renderings of the futuristic oval-shaped stadium with a translucent roof “miraculous.”

“Today’s announcement is bigger than football,” said Johnson, touting the team’s investment in the city as a vote of confidence in the city’s future and his leadership. “This is a true public investment.”

The cash grab tab is going to come to almost exactly $900 for every man, woman, and child in the city, including those on the disinvested south and west sides.

 

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3 hours ago, chasfh said:

The Chicago-For-The-People's mayor Brandon Johnson about to whore himself out for the Bears' new stadium.

Mayor Brandon Johnson, who took office less than a year ago after vowing to end decades of disinvestment on Chicago’s West and South sides, enthusiastically endorsed the project, calling the renderings of the futuristic oval-shaped stadium with a translucent roof “miraculous.”

“Today’s announcement is bigger than football,” said Johnson, touting the team’s investment in the city as a vote of confidence in the city’s future and his leadership. “This is a true public investment.”

The cash grab tab is going to come to almost exactly $900 for every man, woman, and child in the city, including those on the disinvested south and west sides.

 

brandon johnson is a fraud who is so far over his head its hilarious.  well, it would be hilarious if it wasnt so sad.

you'll notice that the chicago teachers union - who used to be against using any public money for stadiums and just demanded a 9% raise per year in perpetuity - is now all about the bears proposal.  

and theyre about to reassess the loop and north side property taxes which is going to be a nice surprise for home owners when their taxes go up exponentially because loop buildings are worth 90% less than they used to be.

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btw, the bears are so stupid.  they spent $200 million on land in the burbs that would be PERFECT for a new stadium/complex.  but they didnt get the tax break they wanted (which they should jave worked out before they bought it but its the bears and they are stupid) so they pouted and moved back to the lakefront.

its the dumbest, most inconvienient place to put a stadium.  far from public transportation, limited parking, traffic jams galore.  but nears ownership - the same idiots that put a toilet bowl on top of soldier field because they didnt want to give up "bear weather" - want a stadium on the lake because the views are great.

THEY WONT OWN THIS STADIUM OUTRIGHT.  just like they dont own soldier field now.

they are the prime example of a bunch of idiots who lucked into the genetic lottery by being related to papa bear halas.  its infuriating how stupid they are at business.

they are going to get a lot of resistance to this plan from the state.  hopefully they grow a pair and tell the bears to gfthemselves.

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I do kind of like what they did with Soldier Field in that rendering. Isn't Chicago's soccer team looking for a stadium? I would remove the spaceship from Soldier Field leaving the columns and rebuild a seating bowl of 25,000 for the soccer team and outdoor concerts. That would fit in better to the park and the Bears could move to the suburbs. 

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