Deleterious Posted July 13, 2022 Author Share Posted July 13, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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buddha Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, Deleterious said: joe refused to fail? did they bother to interview charlie v and ben gordon for that story? how about josh smith? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betrayer Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 He failed so hard for so many years straight that at the time I could really only come up with two ways it was possible to fail that hard: 1) It was built through sheer luck (or someone else's influence) 2) He was actively working to ruin the franchise and do everything wrong on purpose To this day I'm still wondering what the answer was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Betrayer said: He failed so hard for so many years straight that at the time I could really only come up with two ways it was possible to fail that hard: 1) It was built through sheer luck (or someone else's influence) 2) He was actively working to ruin the franchise and do everything wrong on purpose To this day I'm still wondering what the answer was. he really had a strange career as a gm, from being one of the best to being one of the worst almost overnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 I find it hard to believe that Pistons team was built on sheer luck. All those players were castoffs from other teams plus a late 1st round pick who just all fit so well together. It was a situation where the sum was greater than the parts. I just don't think that happens by accident. For some reason, he lost his marbles and traded Billups and over payed for role players. I'm not sure we will ever see a front court of Monroe-Drummond-Smith of 3 total non shooters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, buddha said: he really had a strange career as a gm, from being one of the best to being one of the worst almost overnight. He had one good idea that was ideal for a particular circumstance Think of it like a musician that writes one great song and never charts again Edited July 13, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betrayer Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Or maybe Hammond had a lot more to do with Dumars' success than people think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 8 hours ago, Betrayer said: Or maybe Hammond had a lot more to do with Dumars' success than people think. That would be a more viable opinion if Hammond had any success outside of Detroit. He has been pretty bad anywhere he was GM. Joe was a huge success as GM even though things spiraled at the end. Most organizations would kill to win a title in 14 years and there are still some teams that have never won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 look at del defending joe dumars. i know global warming is a thing, but is hell getting really cold now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betrayer Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 JE3 posted his first take on the Pistons depth chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 22 minutes ago, Betrayer said: JE3 posted his first take on the Pistons depth chart. name of that image is inplayforvictor.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) I want to try to atleast make the play in but I would gladly take another horrible season if it meant getting Victor, unfortunately I think we already used up all our lottery luck for the next decade by getting Cade. Edited July 14, 2022 by RandyMarsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 Playoff game took 43 wins last year. I am thinking Vegas sets the Pistons O/U around 32. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Yeah I'm not thinking playoffs just yet. This team is young. There's going to be growing pains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betrayer Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Everything - and I mean everything - would have to click perfectly for them to be in the play-in. Not because they're a bad team acting like they might be good (the Dre years), but because they're all about 19-22 years old. They simply need another couple years to grow and learn. Spurs got a play-in game with 34 wins in the West, but in the East it was 43 wins for Charlotte. I'll reserve my final predictions for October, but right now I'm thinking 32-35 wins based upon what they did in the second half of last season. I don't think the loss of Grant hurts them much and the addition of some front-court vertical threats, some athleticism, and the growth of the second and third year players should help. Shooting and spacing (along with youth) will be the things holding them back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 I guess it depends on how much stock you put into how they finished with a healthy Cade and Bagley last year cause weren't they like a .500 team in the 2nd half of the season in games Cade played in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 Has little to do with their age and more to do with how poorly the team is built. I mean Memphis just won 56 games with a good chunk of their main players being under 22-23 years of age. Lack of shooting will kill this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 27 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: I guess it depends on how much stock you put into how they finished with a healthy Cade and Bagley last year cause weren't they like a .500 team in the 2nd half of the season in games Cade played in? Looks like they were 11-21 from game #42 on when Cade played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, Deleterious said: Looks like they were 11-21 from game #42 on when Cade played. I got 14-10 from Feb 1st on according to this. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/3177949/cade-cunningham/game-log/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: I got 14-10 from Feb 1st on according to this. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/3177949/cade-cunningham/game-log/ That seems to be wrong. It has them winning the April 8th game against Milwaukee and they lost by like 30. https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202204080DET.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 Also has them winning the Dallas game on April 6th. They lost it. https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202204060DET.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 Here is a list of the games Cade played in. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cunnica01/gamelog/2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 2023 mock from Vecenie. He has Bates #39. https://theathletic.com/3407947/2022/07/12/2023-nba-mock-draft-wembanyama/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Deleterious said: 2023 mock from Vecenie. He has Bates #39. https://theathletic.com/3407947/2022/07/12/2023-nba-mock-draft-wembanyama/ hilarious. how long until he leaves eastern for ypsilanti community college? six weeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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