chasfh Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 24 minutes ago, Hongbit said: I’m not sure where the idea came from that a team would pick up Skubal only to help their future. Teams would pick him up certainly thinking that he could help them now. The fact that he wouldn’t be a short term rental and is under team control at a nice price is something you don’t often see in deadline deals and would increase his value to someone. The Tigers aren’t going to trade him for a down the numbers prospect. It’s not a fire sale. Tarik is only leaving If they get something really good. I don’t think Skubal’s leaving. I think Al will ask way more than anyone will give him for Skubal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, chasfh said: I don’t think Skubal’s leaving. I think Al will ask way more than anyone will give him for Skubal. Very very possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Hongbit said: Very very possible. That’s Al’s M.O., right? When he is comfortable and has leverage, he asks for way too much; and when he’s nervous and up against it, he’ll settle for almost nothing. Edited July 27, 2022 by chasfh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, chasfh said: I don’t think Skubal’s leaving. I think Al will ask way more than anyone will give him for Skubal. Still think Passan's blurb was interesting and advanced things a little more beyond what Rosenthal reported yesterday (ie. price exorbitant, multiple GMs expect him to move). Anonymous execs have been wrong before and may have their own motives for talking to the press tho. Edited July 27, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 42 minutes ago, chasfh said: I don’t think Skubal’s leaving. I think Al will ask way more than anyone will give him for Skubal. That is what I expect too. The only thing is young healthy good starting pitchers are rarely on the market, so there is some chance Avila's asking price will be matched. Again, not what I expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 FWIW, Dickerson just now said on the cast that Al of course has to do his due diligence and field offers for Skubal, but Dan doesn’t think he’s gonna move, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gilmore Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 I think Skubal has more stuff than Boyd ever did. Some similarities, sure, but I always felt Boyd was getting results beyond his stuff that wouldn’t hold up. I also doubt Skubal gets traded, just wanted to say he seems different enough to me to not evoke the rumored Yankee trade scenario. As you were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 22 minutes ago, Dan Gilmore said: I think Skubal has more stuff than Boyd ever did. Some similarities, sure, but I always felt Boyd was getting results beyond his stuff that wouldn’t hold up. I also doubt Skubal gets traded, just wanted to say he seems different enough to me to not evoke the rumored Yankee trade scenario. As you were I would agree with this, he also has more of a pedigree reaching top 20ish prospect status where as I don't think Boyd was ever close to that so I definitely like his odds of being good more than I did Boyd at any point but I also would not be surprised if he just ends up being the guy he has been overall this season which is a high 3 ERA that has great stretches but bad stretches as well. That of course wouldn't be the worst result in the world but ideally he does surpass that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 56 minutes ago, Dan Gilmore said: I think Skubal has more stuff than Boyd ever did. Some similarities, sure, but I always felt Boyd was getting results beyond his stuff that wouldn’t hold up. I also doubt Skubal gets traded, just wanted to say he seems different enough to me to not evoke the rumored Yankee trade scenario. As you were Skubal is better than Boyd. He’s got better stuff and the peripherals are also better. They both tend to get rattled too easily and then the control comes and goes too much. Caught leaving fastballs over heart of the plate and not being able to locate the off speed for a strike when needed. It was frustrating to watch Boyd when you knew he was capable of so much more when he was locked in. It didn’t happen enough with him. I’m starting to see a little of the same with Skubal albeit with a higher ceiling when he’s on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 That won't help his trade value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 4 hours ago, mtutiger said: .... Cardinals come to mind, especially with all of their injuries and general mediocreness of their starting pitching If Avila talks the Cardinals into a Jordon Walker for Skubal trade.... Win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: If Avila talks the Cardinals into a Jordon Walker for Skubal trade.... Win. I wonder if it plays a role in the Cards mind that Skubal pitched against them 3 times in his career and they’ve shelled him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Dan Gilmore said: I think Skubal has more stuff than Boyd ever did. Some similarities, sure, but I always felt Boyd was getting results beyond his stuff that wouldn’t hold up. I also doubt Skubal gets traded, just wanted to say he seems different enough to me to not evoke the rumored Yankee trade scenario. As you were there were certain points where Boyd could get a little extra on the FB when he wanted it and command that good slow curve. When he had both those things working, you could say he was a pitcher with good stuff. But he he really couldn't maintain both those pitches working consistently together. The max FB tended to fall back to 92 and the command wasn't always there. I suppose this is the way it goes for a lot of guys. The have good stuff at their best, but are not at their best enough to be winners. We certainly learned that with Armando Galarraga. On days when he could command his best fastball and best slider all day, his stuff was no-hitter quality, but he couldn't do that very often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, Hongbit said: I wonder if it plays a role in the Cards mind that Skubal pitched against them 3 times in his career and they’ve shelled him. What do you mean shelled? He had two games against them in 2021 and in 10 Inn's he had 14 K's, a 1.03 WHIP... I am guessing that they expect him to get better too... If the Cardinals wanted some cost certainty and control: Skubal and Soto for Jordan Walker... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, LongLiveMaroth said: That won't help his trade value. Completely unsurprising with this guy, but did you read the Free Press story on this? https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2022/07/27/detroit-tigers-andrew-chafin-against-toronto-blue-jays/10168673002/ Get a load of this part: Would Chafin considering getting vaccinated if the Tigers traded him to a team pushing for the postseason, knowing that could mean pitching in meaningful games in Toronto against the Blue Jays? "We'll see what happens," he said. "If the situation calls for it, maybe." So as long as he's on the Tigers, no way he gets the vax. But if he's dealt to an actual contender? Yeah, he can be talked into it. What a complete choad. Edited July 28, 2022 by chasfh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Hmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaceDog Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 First piece to fall in the trade deadline extravaganza ..... Benintendi to the Yannkmes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Benintendi to the Yankees for 3 minor leaguers who's names I haven't seen mentioned yet. Benintendi is unvaxed so with Toronto playing in their division and possibly being a team they see in the playoffs that could come into play if the Yankees can't convince him to get vaccinated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: Benintendi to the Yankees for 3 minor leaguers who's names I haven't seen mentioned yet. Benintendi is unvaxed so with Toronto playing in their division and possibly being a team they see in the playoffs that could come into play if the Yankees can't convince him to get vaccinated. Solid return for the Royals, who badly need pitching in their system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Benintendi said something similar to Chafin with repect to whether he would get a vaccination if he went to a contender. Bill James really seems to hate Benintendi. I am not sure why? I don't think it's the vaccine. I could see him supporting a non-vaxer just to be contrarian. Sometimes, I think he likes to get people riled up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Heyman says that he is hearing that Benintendi told the Yankees he will indeed get the vaccine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 I don't want to get sidetracked but I do find it a little comical that playing for a contender or not is the difference between you getting vaxed or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 30 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: I don't want to get sidetracked but I do find it a little comical that playing for a contender or not is the difference between you getting vaxed or not. yeah - I think this aptly illustrates the definition of a pose vs a conviction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackPine Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Joey Gallo is pretty expendable from the Yankees. Mlbtr mentioned they might be looking to move him. Obviously, he's been terrible but would he be a worthy reclamation project for the tigers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottwood Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 The Tigers should trade Chafin to a contender just so he gets the vaccine. Either way, I think it is highly likely that he is traded. He almost assuredly will opt out in the off season since he's probably going to at worst match his salary in 2023 and get more guaranteed money for future seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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