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BILL JAMES AND BILLY BEAN ARE WRECKING BASEBALL AVILLA AND HENCH NEED TO GET THEIR HEADS OUT OF THEIR SPREADSHEETS AND GET BACK TO BASICS EXIT VELLOCITY AND LAUNCH ANGEL ARE FOR NERDS YOU SEE THE BALL YOU HIT THE BALL.

Pence needs to testify to J6

I hate the return on Avila's trades as much as the next guy but in his defense he did get a good return for Justin Wilson along with getting Reese Olsen for Norris. Also getting Lange doesn't look so bad right now either so I wouldn't be complete against him doing the trading for our relievers. I would not want him handling somebody like Skubal though, unlike the relievers he could be a real asset and I would not want to trust Avila with somebody that important.

Ooh damn! i’m in second season

https://www.nhl.com/redwings/news/red-wings-sign-robert-hagg-to-one-year-contract/c-335086576 Guessing AHL depth? Or they don't think Edvinsson is ready for the NHL at least to start the season? Wallman won't be back for a while maybe? More depth either way. Video from Amadeus Lombardi's second 3 on 3 game that I didn't see, has some nice hands:

I would be spending time on this board regardless of whether this situation happened or not.

Jacques Cousteau meets Madeline L'Engel.

where-ever he is, he needs to be playing. So if the Tigers were not committed to playing him, they should not have brought him up. So whether you think he should be at Toledo or at Det, either way the fact is he needs to be playing everyday, and the fact that he isn't is just more Tiger player mismanagement.

With Baddoo, is 20 ABs since his return (the equivalent of 5 games roughly) enough to make that justification? Personally, I dont care whether they are worse or not at this moment... theoretically, a guy like Baddoo factors into the future because he's controlled beyond this year and is only 23. Grossman is gone, one way or another, at years end.

this board has clamored for a variety of minor leaguers to be brought up to the big club, and every time they are finally called up they proceed to suck. baddoo and clemens being the best examples. hill also. you can throw torkelson in there as well. greene has been ok but his lack of major league time was due to injury. grossman is playing because there are no major league ready alternatives in the organization and meadows is injured. that's it. that's the reason. he hits higher up in the lineup because historically he has been an on base machine and the lineup is so bad that his current .312 obp puts him in the top third of tigers hitters. the chances are very good that anyone they brought up from toledo would be worse than grossman. once september comes around and the team is still in last place, perhaps we'll see some minor leaguers get a shot. or perhaps meadows will be back. until then, grossman is probably the best choice they have. sadly.

Marcus Thames had a 1.145 OPS over 274 PA in 2004. He basically did it again in 2005.

How is dumping Grossman and his .592 OPS silly? I'd drop him right this very F'ing second if I was GM. But you think dumping a .592 OPS is silly...?

yeah - the org/Hinch seems to play a lot of favorites where the favoritism is based on non-performance factors. The whole org seem to approach young players in a totally random way. Overplay some, don't give others any kind of shot, makes very little sense in an org that should be dedicated to their emerging players instead of all the also-rans that have been taking up space in the lineup and roster for several years that have no future. They have been constantly half in and half out on playing/promoting young players.

His agent begged them not to call him up

Could've put this in the things that make you smile thread but since it involves a dog I'll post it here. My neighbor's dog who I've known since she was a puppy recently had to have her leg amputated due to cancer and naturally she hasn't been herself the last couple weeks. But today when I got home from work she was out in front with my neighbor and she came running(well as close to running as she can do now) over to me wagging her tail like her old self, she and my dog were playing like they used to. My neighbor said she has been doing alot better the last couple days. Just seeing her like that made me smile cause in a way I think of her as my second dog since I take care of her anytime they are out of town.

This lineup is enough to make one want to drink battery acid lol

Gracias. I missed that.

I think it's simply that Passan has trended more and more pro-player and there's a feeling from MLBPA (who is far more his source than the League) that the owners never actually wanted to get something done. I'd wager that's the long and short of it.

Just idiotic, batting him in the 3 hole. And Willi in RF. I'm glad they called up Baddoo to sit on the bench behind Grossman and Willi who will never contribute to a winning team.

actually, I think you could break guys down into groups based on those that are missing the ball vs those that get their bat to it but hit it less than optimally. That might give you some rational guidance as to what various guys should be working on. Hopefully they do some of that now.

I think we can speculate about pretty much anything here without hurting anybody except for relatives of minor leaguers.

Gold was slot. I forget if I saw it on BA or Pipeline. I've got them 2.77% over with 12-14, 17-20 to go. They can go $178,865 the $125,000 limit on those guys over without incurring pick penalties.

He's trying to earn the nickname "Edwierdo"

the ~5-6 yrs from ~2015 up to the pandemic were really wasted. The economy was doing fine by then and they could have put things on a firmer basis but they had to keep trying to over rev the engine. If there hadn't been so much money sloshing around beforehand I doubt the exit from the pandemic would have been half this out of control.

Lyle Moulton has a 1.001 OPS across 297 PA at Toledo in 2001. We sent him to the Houston Astros on Aug 31 as part of a conditional deal. The most recent one I could find before that is Scotti Madison in 1985, who had an OPS of 1.013 split between Nashville (!) and Birmingham (!!) across 522 plate trips as a 25-year-old. He followed that up with a .757 OPS at Nashville in 1986. Scotti slashed .000/.091/.000 for the Big Club in 22 PAs in 1985-86 before we granted him free agency.

IMO, we need to see more than just 20 ABs to make a determination one way or another. Particularly when they arent consistent ABs

Off topic sort of because I am listening....with these: https://shokz.com/products/openrun?variant=41378978267336 Words cannot describe how happy I am with these earbuds. Granted they don't sound as good as an expensive in-ear set (we're talking the really high end stuff), but they're really nice for being able to be able to communicate and hear the outside world while out walking/bicycling etc. We walked around the zoo last week and I was able to have music playing AND listen to my wife go on and on and on and on about....well whatever she was going on and on and on about.

Stoney had a zinger this morning on the radio, the cohost filling in for Jansen said something like "Aside from Goff I think Swiff is the most important player on the team, if he goes down they may struggle to hit that over" Stoney: "Well we could always bring up our new coach JT Barrett, he's great in short yardage situation."

Dumping him is what a good team would do, a good team with competent management in the front office and on the field. As opposed to playing him every game and batting him third. Surely "building up his trade value" is not what is going on here, no one is that stupid. What is happening is that Hinch is loyal to him and thinks "I can get him going again". The rest of the players aren't stupid either, they must have been side-eyeing Grossman for about 2 months now. They know why he is in the lineup, it isn't on merit, and it doesn't convey the impression to the young players that winning is a priority. This is a good way to lose the confidence of the clubhouse (again).

what I worry about most is the team taking more or less one size fits all approach to hitters. I'm sure there are guys (probably like JD) who want every piece of data they can get - who take notes on everything that happens in the batter's box for a whole career. The problem is that there are also guys who spend a whole career just grippin' and rippin' and the more they try to analyze it the more paralyzed they can become. And players are everywhere in between. One of reasons I worry about this is because the tech gives us a lot of insight on where the batter wants the bat to be in a general way - what kind of path, angle etc. So since we know more about this stuff now, it gets a high priority. But the reality is that is not the most important thing for a batter in the majors. Most batters can get the bat to the spot they pick for it to be, but help with that is still fine and there are guys who will benefit from it. But the real trick for a successful hitter is in the visual/perceptual neurological hardware telling the batter where that spot is accurately - ie. where that spot he needs to get to is going to be when the ball gets to him, and none of the swing analytics stuff actually helps with that part a bit. Now if a batter can process all the data and not have it impact his ability to just see-ball hit-ball, that's great. But if you have any number of guys who literally can't be thinking while they're hitting, then you better be willing to support alternate approaches for them in your org. Now TBF, I have no idea what the Tigers actually do with their hitters - this is just what I worry they might be doing. Like everyone else, I'm just seeing the outcomes.

Then leave him in Toledo where he was experiencing success. Don't call him up, subject him to that bad juju from Hinch and Coolbaugh, and then sit him on the bench while Willi plays the outfield.

I'll preface this by saying I don't care if Al stays or goes. His trades have netted zero and the FAs all turned to pumpkins this year. Though nobody was complaining at the time But some in here is just unfair. Yes hes been here for seven years. But, for the first couple they were trying to win with the old group then he tore it down. It wasn't a tear down from day 1. So being like you said seven years to build is a bit unfair cause it wasn't like he started from day one. Then you talk about drafting and developing. if you say he has had seven years, he's really had six years of developing and drafting. Few players are phenominal in their first year. Al in theory has his first group hitting FA (six years in the big and that's only one year in the minors). Do you know a bunch of teams with 27 year old all stars all over the field who were developed at home? Then don't forget they lost a year to COVID, a very important year that set everything back. Again you can take or leave Al for all I care, but the ole Valentini he's had seven year argument doesn't take a full picture into consideration.

Do you think it could be a situation where Baddoo started out last year not knowing anything and just playing baseball, you know, going outside, playing the game, having fun and since then they've filled his head with a bunch of launch angle/exit velo/sabregarbage that has him up there thinking, not just using his natural ability? That's what I think. I think they got in his head and messed him up. I think they have done that to almost the whole team. So we just have a bunch of guys all having the worst season at the same time? I don't think so. I used to worry about AJ leaving, and now it's Good Riddance ! Who out there is better? I don't know, but I do know that this ain't working and it's completely systemic. EVERYONE.............MUST.................GO......................................EVERYONE !

Which is why we should trade him...quickly.

Only in America, the country with the runaway highest incarceration rate on Earth, can people seriously complain that there are not enough people in prison.

Eduardo Rodriguez is a public figure who works at a job in which millions of people have great interest. While we may not be the employer signing his checks, his leaving the team and being incommunicado from the world still affects us as fans, even to the minor degree it does. We fans make up a constituency of his. So it's fair of us to wonder what was behind it all, same as with any public figure. It basically depends on how strong the consistency tie is. If your child's teacher left her job very suddenly and went incommunicado for weeks at a time, you would be justified in wondering what the situation was with her before she came back into the classroom to teach your child again. On the other hand, since she is not my child's teacher, I wouldn't at all be justified in pressing to found out her deal was, because I have no stake in it at all, so it would be creepy of me to pursue it. The difference is you are part of her constituency, and I am not. Rodriguez is definitely not the same as your child's teacher, but his situation does exist along that same continuum.

Today I went to Human Society of Huron Valley and looked at the dogs. I wanted to take everyone of them home. I connected with a dog, some kind of shepherd, smaller than a German Shepherd but while I was there someone claimed her. There were a couple other dogs, but I had to go, it was just too emotional. I'm still kind of a wreck, as much as I want a dog here. I still can't forgive myself, even though I know there really wasn't a choice.

So is sitting there and saying that Eduardo is ducking the terms of his contract because he doesn't want to play here. Or saying he "abandoned the club" That doesn't stop people from concluding such apparently.

Depends upon the reason for “abandonment”.

Baseball isn't the most important thing in life so they will probably be understanding and welcome him back.

I am so happy for this girl. Lucy will be 13 in a month, but for most of this year she has really been noticeably slowing down. At her regular vet checkup in May she got a clean bill of help, but she was still just struggling - I attributed it to age. In June, she broke some blood vessels in her ear, scratching it because of an infection & had to have surgery. The vet prescribed an antibiotic, & after finishing it this week she is like a new dog! Jumping, playing again, & she has that bright look back in her eyes. We figure she might have had a UTI or something that went undiagnosed, & the antibiotic knocked it out.

We all talk about his bad trades, drafts, signings etc. but not selling high on Boyd and Fulmer when he had the chance was a somewhat under the radar blunder that doesn't get talked about enough. We flat out admitted that we were in full rebuild and several years a way from contention so when you're that far a way there is zero reason to keep 2 starting pitchers with injury histories. The likelihood they would still be good when we were competing was extremely small so why not trade them for younger guys that match up better with your competitive timeline?

That bus done broke down.