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I'm hanging up the phone if they don't include Holliday or Basallo. If Im trading the top pitcher in baseball who is under control for 2yrs and 3 postseasons I'm not settling for the other teams prospects that they feel are expendable or what works for them. No you're giving up what works for us and paying the premium of one of your top 2 guys, if you won't then somebody else will....or we'll just keep him and get another Cy Young season out of him.

Kjersted is great and all, but are we in the market for an LH outfielder? Not sure why that would be the headliner in a Skubal deal where we can aggressively go after exactly what we need or stand pat with the best pitcher in baseball until next deadline. That would all but leave one of Meadows/Carpenter/Perez expendable especially by the time Clark is knocking on the door. The trade would get us a great young player in Kjersted, but we’d end up shipping at least one of our current young core out later anyway…so it minimizes the overall return. We need Carps power upside, and Perez is a definite plus being a switch hitter and playing all 3 OF positions and being competent all around on offense. I guess you’d move on from Meadows but dealing him likely doesn’t get us much of a return unless he comes back blazing hot. Give me either Holliday/Mayo/Povich, Basalo/Mayo/Povich or go screw. Either of those acquisitions immediately fills in the roster now and for the future without us needing to make corresponding decisions on young players. Acquiring Skubal for your World Series runs the next 3 seasons should absolutely hurt the other teams minor league system, not be convenient for them.

its a small sample size, but over his last 4 at bats, Javy is batting .250!

OK, so, two things: (1) those numbers are general estimates and not results, which obviously you know; and (2) Holliday and Basallo have still done nothing in the majors and are certainly not guaranteed to, whereas Skubal is Cy Young right now and is ready to lead a playoff rotation right now, even over Corbin Burnes, and not by a little. So yes, the numbers from this trade value thingamabob favor the Tigers' return over that of the Orioles, but the key difference is that the numbers assigned to Skubal are based on current reality, whereas the numbers assigned to the Orioles players are all based on speculation—with good reason, I acknowledge, but still, speculation. And remember, even losing all these players, especially the top two, the Orioles still have their positions covered for years and years, whereas our rotation would be shattered until at least next year, and perhaps beyond. Trading Skubal will definitely hurt the Tigers much more in the short term (perhaps the next 12 months) than the Orioles, and if the Orioles would never trade them under any circumstances, then they are to all appearances just trying to run up the score, same way (sorry for this but) Trump thought he would run up the score by choosing Vance as his VP (again, sorry for that, but I mention it only because of how apt the comparison is.) IOW: if the Orioles would not trade these players, who may not even pan out, for the best pitcher in the game right now, at a time they need him most, in favor of keeping their players around for, I don't know, just in case, I guess? And they won't even have room for these players for years anyway—then just what exactly are they trying to accomplish here? This is a good trade for both teams, and I don't think the Tigers should take any less than this. I personally would bless it, and honestly, I don't think the Orioles would have to think very long about it before they accept it as well.

PS: (or FYI, whichever floats...): I'm heading out this afternoon for a family reunion near Munising (cabins right on the beach of Lake Superior) and that means 20+ cousins (and assorted aunts/ uncles and a plethora of munchkins running around as well) which will keep me busy and hard to keep up with both what's going on at/ near the deadline and all this discussion. Won't be back until Sunday August 4th so I'll miss MOST of the commotion! Oh, and tomorrow before I take off for Munising (I'll be halfway there in Ohio, from Jersey...) I'm going to the National Baseball Card (actually, "Sports") Convention in Cleveland. Gonna be a WILD ONE!!! And I know you will miss me SOOO MUCH!!! 😁 So have a great time... I know I will!

Yeah, a team with Skubal and Flaherty the way they are pitching this year can make some serious hay in the postseason. Of all the years for the AL Central to not stink.

10-4 in BP games. Trade all the starting pitchers! 😆

I like when members of team message boards negotiate deals directly. Who needs front offices, when the fans can handle this?

Glad someone in the mainstream press has decided to start asking questions on this

Colt Keith is signed through 2032. I think they will find a spot for him.

while I understand what you’re saying, we did the same thing when Hillary Clinton ran for president. She got called Hillary. When Donald Trump wants to insult Nancy Pelosi, he doesn’t call her Pelosi, he calls her Nancy. i’m just saying that as a woman, I am noticing it much more than I did even 5-10 years ago. While it’s never maybe by most people meant intentionally as a disrespectful thing to call the senato, or the Congresswoman, the presidential candidate by their first name, nonetheless, it does, make an unconscious impact. I hope no one here is taking my meaning wrong, I am no way looking to say that anyone here is disrespectful in calling her Kamala. I’ve only just more recently been making myself more conscious about not referring to her by her first name.

Bligh Madris going 3/4 with a double like we all knew he would.

Some elements of the left do. I sure don't. I want them to be free to protest, but I don't condone violence and vandalism. As for J6, the events leading up to it and the day itself look like an attempted coup to me and the right is completely sweeping it under the rug like it was a completely normal event. That is stunning to me, something I thought would never happen in this country.

I know this frustrates fans to no end, but I like it. It’s a good sign that we are still competitive even when we lose, not a bad sign that we are incapable of winning close games or anything like that,

Irresponsible to not PH for Baez. Any other ML manager would not have let him go to the plate in that situation.

Or maybe don't walk the No. 9 hitter on four straight pitches.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/07/garrett-crochet-hoping-to-stay-in-rotation-desires-extension-before-pitching-in-october.html Crochet trying to Erod the deadline.

And why did the Republican VP candidate skip? Was he due for his annual beard trim?

If the measure of what is condoned is everything someone doesn't take the time to condemn, then you have given power to anyone you oppose to control your agenda. Harris and Biden happen to have other things they think are more important to spend their time right now on than wasting it talking about political performance artists. You can argue they should make it higher priority, and that's a certainly a fair argument,but to get from there to 'condone' is just fitting a political opponent to the cloths of a straw man that's easier to oppose.

The crowd has spoken! 😉

Maybe because these people in no way represent Democrats, which is 180 degrees different from the J6 insurrectionists absolutely representing Republicans.

And the ones that weren't aborted.

TBF, he is more talking about injury questions on Skubal not if he pans out as a major league pitcher. In this day of high spin and everything else going on for pitchers I think you can say every pitcher has risk of injury.

Hinch is a genius. I knew Lukas would be a bullpen weapon. 🤣🤣 Now score about 9 more runs.

Well with JV we knew our competitive window was closing and a rebuild would be imminent. JV also had some injury issues and had a year or two of declined performance (by his standards). Even at the time I was underwhelmed with the return. None of it was major league ready. With Skubal, this is a guy who is young, cost controlled for years, still improving, and we are (hopefully) at the beginning part of a competitive window. So the value of Skubal to us and the stakes of not getting a gigantic return for him are especially high.

I'm curious, in all seriousness (as if we should take this as a serious thing 😛 ) what you would legitimately want from the O's for Skubal. The hour is getting late, and we are a team in need. Skubal's not the only starter in town, but may be the best available, despite his injury risks and prior innings pitched totals. Thanks in advance.

This is one reason the Mormons are wary of these people. They love him for all the GOP normie things but they fear the 1st amendment issues and worry that they will be singled out as deviationists.

Baez fell off the cliff a few years ago. At this point it’s like that scene from The Simpsons where they pull Homer out of the bottom of the gorge and load him into the ambulance and then immediately crash the ambulance into a tree and he rolls out of the back and falls down the gorge again…

Toledo W 9-4 Tork 2/4 BB K Jung 1/3 RBI BB Dingler 3/4 3RBI 2B HR K Bigbie 1/4 K Navigato 2/3 2RBI BB K 2B Erie W 5-2 Lee 1/2 BB K SB (16 on the year) Workman 1/4 Holton 2/4 2RBI Burhenn 6IP 6H 2ER BB 3K WM L 7-6 Clark 1/5 K Anderson 0/4 BB McGonigle 1/4 K Campos 2/3 RBI BB Gold 1/4 2K Marcano 5IP 4H 4K Lakeland L 3-2 Gil 1/3 BB Campbel 1/4 2K Santana 0/2 2BB

Another thing dawned on me the other day 16 years ago on the night that Obama was accepting the nomination, it was the 45th anniversary of the I Have A Dream speech and McCain ran an ad during the DNC congratulating Obama on that historic moment. Wow, has that party changed. I didn't like them back then, but wow, that was a very classy move by McCain.

Trump is gonna have us believe that Harris is an anti-semite. I think that one might take a minute to permeate. The ultimate self-own for the Jew hater. Marry a jewish man.

As always....

I haven't seen any outcry from anybody but you. Might be kind of a busy news day. They'll catch up.

Man, Royals made it interesting bringing the trying run to the plate, but they still lost 8-6, so, yeah, not a total loss.

That may have factored into Hinch’s decision to let Javy hit. If he pinch-hits Javy and the PH struck out, all he’s gained is an out anyway and a pissed-off player. Plus, even a manager without a psychology degree is not looking for creative ways to embarrass his players. Hinch can’t always sit Javy and he can’t always pinch-hit him. Sometimes he’s just gotta trust him to do something. Don’t worry, though, the games are low stakes anyway because we’re still rebuilding and so many of our guys are just hurt, so managing to make the playoffs isn’t a prudent way to run a team like ours in our state. Hinch has got to manage to finish the season and help the organization learn as much about what we have so they can go into October knowing what to plan for next season.

I blame the poor Ohio air quality for this loss.

Can Tork learn SS?

The Tigers gave up only 2 runs. But a passed ball and leadoff 4 pitch walk really did them in. They’re not Es on the scoreboard, but in a game with slim margins, mistakes cost the Tigers.

At least the last out was a ground out and not a ball 2 inches out of the strike zone called a strike.

I think it’s been a slightly generous zone for both teams.

It’s ok to not feel bad if it’s an Indian or White Sock.

Flaherty = +1 for trade value...

Worth noting that their #4 and #5 on MLB, but the Fangraphs they are #7 and #19. And the Fangraphs rankings are much more appropriate based on their scouting reports and performances to date.

Injury rehab - he hurt his wrist or hand in June

Big Ten media day started today.

Going with a 4th round lineman project. I like your style!

I'm about to take up the game after 30 plus years. I only dabbed with it then. Picked up a set of "Senior" clubs. Just waiting until the "Feels like" temps drop below 105 before hitting the driving range.